More News on Harry and Meghan

[Viviennemary]

Two little bits of news I read today. First the bells won't ring out at Westminster Abbey for Meghans birthday next month and she'll be devastated. No I don't think she'll even expect them to ring. And I had to smile at Bogart the dog was left behind in Canada because it didn't take to Harry. What else could she do. Hardly leave Harry behind. And it would have been a worry with a baby in the house too. She did the right thing here.

Any thoughts on the yoga pose that M reportedly spontaneously produced upon receiving the marriage proposal? H on bended knee beside the oven, scent of mingling chicken juices and fat wafting by....
not a yogi and can't stand the smell of chicken fat

How about this pose?

thegirlwhoknows.com/yoga-pose-celebrate/

I wonder if the item on the Duke of Cambridge’s mental health initiative in football currently on R4 was planned . It’s certainly an interesting contrast

If William was a snob, would he have married Kate Middleton? Discuss.

Very good point @ YouSayWhat

OMG, there's an article in the DM that I rather agree with The shame!

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8563043/DOMINIC-LAWSON-real-bombshell-little-Harry-not-Meghan-grasped-monarchy.html

Dominic Lawson writes about how he finds H to be the most responsible for this mess and he's rather sympathetic towards MM. I agree with his opinion actually. For H to believe that he could dictate his future half-in/out role where he could make make money commercially whilst remaining an HRH, cherry pick the fun royal duties and to lay it out on a website before telling the Queen shows massive hubris and honestly, stupidity.

This book is also revealing that H is actually FAR more concerned with his status than he tries to act.

I don't see how they row any of this back now in terms of their relations with the RF. They clearly cooperated with the book if not directly then through their friends and aides. There is no plausible deniability for them on this book, there's just too much personal info being revealed.

@Oldbutstillgotit

If they have been duped ( and I certainly agree that’s likely ) can we expect a strongly worded statement from H and M ? I suspect not as any collusion would then be apparent. However if they say nothing , they look guilty .

How do you mean “duped”?

The collusion is pretty obvious, but has to be deliberate surely? How could they be duped?

OMG, there's an article in the DM that I rather agree with blush The shame!

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8563043/DOMINIC-LAWSON-real-bombshell-little-Harry-not-Meghan-grasped-monarchy.html

I wouldn’t be embarrassed about agreeing with Dominic Lawson. I don’t share many of his opinions but he’s a shrewd old stick.

I don't think they can deny it, it's obvious they cooperated. What can they say? Yes some friends may have spoken to the authors but we thought the book would be favourable to us? Whoops!

I have a feeling they might privately try to reach to W&K, or Charles or even the HM to deny involvement, I highly doubt they'll be believed.
Well, now it will be full on war from the palace Vipers!

How about this pose?

thegirlwhoknows.com/yoga-pose-celebrate/

Certainly appropriate. The Bakasana looks the nuts, though...

@KatherineParr4

Yes, we should be expecting more legal action if this book really isn’t sanctioned by them. I don’t believe for a minute that it isn’t, but I suspect they’ve now realised they’ve shot themselves in the foot and are frantically trying to hobble away.

(Sorry, serially posting but I’m absolutely agog at this.)

How could any child of Diana’s walk into this fiasco so nonchalantly? This is a step by step rerun of the Morton book debacle. Diana showed the world exactly what not to do in terms of secret royal book collaborations.

Is this Diana’s personality repeating in Harry? Cussedness? Stupidity?

Did he realise it was the same but not care? Not realise? Was he persuaded that the outcome should be different? Is Harry the driving force or was Meghan? Is it just stinking narcissism at play?

Having seen the serialisation, I can’t see what the upside is for Harry.

I have always thought that Harry is more at fault than Meghan. Odd that 'just harry' cares so much about status though. Not sure how he will find the rest of his life if that is the case as an ex-royal.

Also demonstrates how ridiculous the whole status thing of the RF and the aristocracy is in my opinion. I respect people who have achieved something themselves not just because of an accident of birth or marriage.

I think Harry sold "being married to a Prince," to Meghan in an attempt to win her love. When she became quickly unhappy in their marriage, instead of saying, "it's not you it's me," she said, "it's not you, it's your family/the staff/the press," when actually it's probably Harry she's unhappy with.

Like Charles and Diana, HE could have made sure she didn't make mistakes, show her the ropes, so she didn't fall foul of the press but he didn't.

She hated it all, and Harry is shouting "You're all a bunch of bastards!" at everyone when it's himself he should be blaming.

@BalloonSlayer as a fellow jilly fan I do agree with you with regards to Kate's attitude to any new girlfriend of Harry

I haven't read the Dominic Lawson article but don't forget his wife Rosa Monkton was very good friends with Diana. He witnessed close up the mess at KP in the 90s, so does have some understanding of the RF. I seem to recall he helped Diana with some of her correspondence with the RF. The Lawsons seem to have been true friends to Diana.

@Oldbutstillgotit

The positive thread on H and M doesn’t appear to have anything positive about the book so this is looking like a spectacular mistake . I wonder how H and M are feeling now ? I truly want them to be happy but how can they be when they are - allegedly- consumed with anger and grievance ? It also makes me wonder about their future ? Who is going to employ them ? Who is going to pay big money to listen to them ? Given how critical they are of the RF , how much longer can they expect to be financially supported ? It really is an almighty mess.

What do H and M’s supporters think about it all ?

the non anti posters are not posting as they have been hounded of the H&M threads. there is no point posting on the "positive" thread as it just leads to more of the same.

And remember Dominic Lawson’s daughter is Diana’s god daughter as he is married to Rosa Monckton

Dear lord how much coverage is there on this in the daily fail today? Insane

@YouSayWhat

If William was a snob, would he have married Kate Middleton? Discuss.

Well he might have struggled a la Darcy to put his feelings of her inferiority aside...

Interesting article by Angela Levin in the telegraph as well today.

I think the reason HandM might not have realised the book would be negative is because the authors undoubtedly told them it would be “their story”. Not a journalists view of “their story” nor how it might come across to other people. HandM are oblivious to others so they do see their trials and tribulations as being important and they are rightly miffed! It’s easy to persuade people with giant egos that you will have them and their “story” at the centre of a book. The reality is the story isn’t flattering. So unfortunately HandM believe their own hype.

Joking aside though, I'm not entirely sure that the comment about Kate holds water.

She's hardly your average person off the street is she?

Private education due to inherited money, & I have an idea (although may be wrong) that before Uni they moved in the same/similar circles?

I wonder if this will impact their new friendships in Hollywood. I can see many people wanting to keep their distance from a risk of their secrets and private life being revealed to the media as every indication is they either cooperated with the authors or talked to friends and they have the sort of friends that in turn talk to the media. Neither is good for a celebrity wanting to be in control of their image.

@mrscampbellblackagain I don't suppose you have a share token for that Telegraph article by Angela Levin? It's behind a paywall.

I don't think the RF will care much about the book. Lots of it is just rehashed articles that had already run eg the 'upset' about their photo not appearing on the Queen's desk for the Christmas speech; the temper tantrum about the seating and order of service on their last public engagement. The irony is that those stories seemed petty and many people will have thought they were made up by the media. The book confirms them as true from sources close to H&M.
The part about M having paparazzi numbers in her phone, arranging photos and leaking to the press before she met H may not play well in all their actions against the media.