More News on Harry and Meghan

[Viviennemary]

Two little bits of news I read today. First the bells won't ring out at Westminster Abbey for Meghans birthday next month and she'll be devastated. No I don't think she'll even expect them to ring. And I had to smile at Bogart the dog was left behind in Canada because it didn't take to Harry. What else could she do. Hardly leave Harry behind. And it would have been a worry with a baby in the house too. She did the right thing here.

Considering the impression is supposed to be that this is a book that views H&M favourably, it really isn’t.

I've never met either of them , but I would not go out of my way to catch a glimpse of them or any of the royal family! I did watch the wedding, but the Mumsnet live thread on the day was much more interesting and I felt sorry for the run away horse and his rider!
It was a beautiful wedding and setting. It's Just a shame it went sour so quickly really.

The fast proposal goes to the "true love" narrative, I guess? Against that, it suggests they were spinning a load of yarn in their public interview, and makes William's warning look more reasonable. So yes, a strange thing to do.

The while thing is strange, though. The latest extracts talk about how she and Harry met, and then how the story broke - he was with her in Toronto when news got out, and she was texted by a Toronto-based paparazzo to ask her if it was true. A paparazzo had her number? Oh yes, she admits that from time to time she contacted them to take photos of her for publicity purposes. I would bet good money that this is all going to be brought up in cross-examination in her lawsuit against AN. I am amazed at them, quite amazed.

The roast chicken engagement story always sounded far fetched. For a start isn’t she a veggie?!

The shopping thing is utterly bizarre. I really can’t imagine Kate goes on many big girlie shopping sprees with friends. Surely that’s just attracting attention and unwanted pap pics. I know she does go shopping like that reported sainburys trip but I image she doesn’t go long shopping trips like some are imagining but more purposeful shooing to timeframe. Even if she was going shopping why would she invite her husband’s brother’s girlfriend along? I’d imagined they’d only met a couple of times at that stage. They weren’t engaged. Why would kate trust a basic stranger? Trust is build in relationships and I’d imagine even more so for k&w. Just because Harry’s seeing her (and actually at that stage they hadn’t even seen each other much with the long distance thing!) why would k&w automatically trust her especially given her social media presence and fact she still ran a blog (and wasn’t worried about putting hints like the spooning bananas out there). She’d also done a front cover About her relationship with a Harry I believe (though not sure if before/after all edged shopping drama). So all in all it would always take time for K&W to be totally relaxed around her given she was privy to their inner sanctum. That would come in time. They did host her for xmas at their private home after all. I don’t see Meghan or Harry public thanking and praising them for that or the Queen for inviting her for Xmas before marriage. That was a first wasn’t it? I certainly don’t recall Kate being treated to Royal Christmases before her wedding.

I honestly don’t know why they’d be expected to be friends anyway. Family politeness and small talk yes but socialise together alone? Why would they? I don’t socialise with any of my SIL. I don’t dislike them I just don’t have much in common. Actually the royal family do pretty well to have a decent relationship with the extended family eg the cousins all see to get along (or did!), Zara had real laugh with Charles’s at some horse show I remember seeing, etc etc. I have little to do with extended family. I actually feel there IS genuine warmth and affection amongst most of the family. Which makes the claim by MM about lack of warmth and hugging even more bizarre. I don’t think we are a huggy nation in general anyway (and certainly not compared to the acting world). I don’t particularly feel comfortable huggy anyone but my immediate family.

I also find it laughable that people imagine poor Meghan sitting alone in Harry’s wee cottage whilst he’s out doing important business and she’s not even able to go to the shops. She’s a Mid-30s woman ffs And this wasn’t her first london trip. She’s been to the city loads before - she knew where to go. The DM article from 2017 of her shopping was interesting. Especially reading some comments. Her outfit was posted in detail on the Meghan Mirror site apparently. Lots of commenters saying it was a pap walk. Lots saying Harry watch out type thing. All very very interesting in hindsight. Of course after the Engagement it was very gushy and especially after the wedding. Gushy gushy. Quite ironic that most have reverted to their initial gut reactions about MM now.

There is no way that book author didn’t get stories from the horses mouth. There was a relationship there. It might not have been sit down on record interview but the conversations were had. I wonder if they really regretted it afterward? I could imagine in the heat of the moment back at start of year with the drama of it all and them stuck on Vancouver islands (and I do think they really wanted la all along) that airing the way they’d been “mistreated” seemed a good idea. All “remember when Kate snubbed me on that shopping trip” “I didn’t get to promote this smell for the wedding” “we wanted to post about x event but weren’t allowed as Charles was launching y” and blah blah blah. Victimhood at its fineness.

I hope they don’t come back. I don’t think it’s fair to k&w. Can you imagine what they e been though? All this drama and gossip and having your family slatted by cheeky
Chancers still trading on your family name and still receiving millions of your old dad?! How on Earth are they going to continue to justify receiving money even privately?? And the repaying frogmore. What a lie that turned out to be.

Sorry that’s massively length and poorly written - I have too much time in my
Hands tonight clearly

Why would they lie about how and when they got engaged?

Because the Botswana trip was only really something like their third date. Which does make getting engaged then look hasty to even the most romantically-minded onlooker.

And if William knew about that engagement (and no reason to think they didn’t tell close family) then all the more reason it made sense for him to mention to his brother to slow down and that he didn’t have to rush!! I actually don’t think that was a horrendous thing for a brother to day even if dating longer. It’s pretty common advise surely.

Just watching an interesting programme about the Duchy - Prince Charles - Inside the Duchy of Cornwall ITV3

What a shame Harry didn't take an interest in any of this.

He's building another new town like Poundsbury but in Cornwall. Nansleddon I think it will be called.

@MissEliza

I always thought the 'proposal over roast chicken' story was horse shit.

Her ex, Cory Vitiello is a chef who owns a chain of rotisserie chicken restaurants, and his signature dish is roast chicken.

Correction: Nansledan.

Her ex has kept quiet. Which I find admirable as I bet he could name his price for some ' gossip' from some quarters!
Interesting about the chicken connection though! ..
It did sound far fetched , but I liked them both back then so I went with that one even if it sounded a bit strange to propose whilst cooking a bit of dinner!
The mail are churning out the stories today!

Ouch to the ex/chicken info. Is that the ex she was still with when she got with Harry?

That's just spiteful if so

@The80sweregreat your SIL may have a point. MM would have been to Anmer Hall, which looks far nicer than Frogmore, and felt they'd been treated unfairly.

I hadn't quite grasped the fact that they had barely spent any time together before their engagement.

Christ they are from two very different countries and she had to move to England. No wonder William said they should slow down.

Complete and utter madness! From the pair of them.

They are not 19 years old with their first boyfriend/girlfriend- they are actual grown ups.

No wonder the palace staff/family were concerned. That's a ludicrous thing to do even if you are normal people who live down the road from each other.

They wanted Windsor Castle! Then probably thought they were getting Frogmore House.

But in serious note weren’t they offered the other KP apartment? Or it would have been made available at any rate. And I’m sure they were offered a country house as well. They could have had something decent.

Meghan may have done about the cottage and it's name isn't very fairy tale is it? Frogmore cottage! Also looks like a line of ex council houses in the photos.
The sound of the planes in the gardens may have been the last straw there too!

I think on their second date they went to Botswana, and then returned there after a year or so and got engaged.
The chicken story was always a bit odd, just so try hard to make it sound unpretentious and off the cuff...I don’t understand why you would lie about something like that. They knew they were going to be filmed for the engagement interview, why would you want to lie on camera about something so inconsequential? It’s ridiculous and very disrespectful. They probably justified to themselves by saying they are allowed to keep the story of their engagement to themselves in their little romantic bubble and there is nothing wrong about telling a little white lie blah blah blah.
Why would you introduce roast chicken in your fake engagement story 🤣🤣🤣

WaterWishWash

They wanted Windsor Castle! Then probably thought they were getting Frogmore House.

But in serious note weren’t they offered the other KP apartment? Or it would have been made available at any rate. And I’m sure they were offered a country house as well. They could have had something decent.

You are right , they wanted an apartment in Windsor Castle but HM said no .
They were offered the apartment next to W and K in Kensington Palace ( which I think the Gloucesters vacated for them) but turned that down . I also read that Charles offered to buy them a country house in Gloucester area.

@Ballet1992

I hadn't quite grasped the fact that they had barely spent any time together before their engagement.

Christ they are from two very different countries and she had to move to England. No wonder William said they should slow down.

Complete and utter madness! From the pair of them.

They are not 19 years old with their first boyfriend/girlfriend- they are actual grown ups.

No wonder the palace staff/family were concerned. That's a ludicrous thing to do even if you are normal people who live down the road from each other.

I agree it’s mad. But I know lots will say they had very very short relationships prior to marriage and they Have been married ages etc etc. I’m sure it does happen. But you know what this isn’t a couple entering just a marriage. If a couple want to “risk” doing that is a short time frame well you know their choice and good luck to them. But this was also about her taking in a new job and completely new lifestyle. Not to mention a new country. For THAT reason is was shockingly fast. How could he have adequately informed her of the role she was getting into so quickly? They barely knew each other. I really think HE failed her but being willing to go along with her assurances that she was happy to give up everything and be a “Royal in England” (yeah I know it’s more than engage but I bet that was her thinking...actually probably Royal in London!). He’s had two women walk away as they didn’t want that lifestyle. I doubt he gave her all the horrible boring details. For Meghan part she as old enough to Think about properly herself. I do think she thought she’s be FAMOUS and have a PLATFORM and be able to have all sorts of celebrity lifestyle whilst doing amazing woke work (look at who she invited to the wedding for a start). Reality sunk in quickly and she didn’t like.

They were offered the apartment at KP and Charles offered a country estate somewhere near Wales I understand but they said they wanted Frogmore

@Pancakeorcrepe

I think on their second date they went to Botswana, and then returned there after a year or so and got engaged. The chicken story was always a bit odd, just so try hard to make it sound unpretentious and off the cuff...I don’t understand why you would lie about something like that. They knew they were going to be filmed for the engagement interview, why would you want to lie on camera about something so inconsequential? It’s ridiculous and very disrespectful. They probably justified to themselves by saying they are allowed to keep the story of their engagement to themselves in their little romantic bubble and there is nothing wrong about telling a little white lie blah blah blah. Why would you introduce roast chicken in your fake engagement story 🤣🤣🤣

Well if the PP is right about her chef ex specialising in roast Chicken...id imagine you’d introduce roast chicken to your engagement story as a massive fuck you to the ex

Did they forget about all the people quoting Meghan about this book when denying they had anything to do with it?
I don't buy that EVERYONE was accidentally told it was an authorised biography, that's one heck of a mistake to make.
www.tatler.com/article/meghan-markle-wants-finding-freedom-sussex-biography-published-now

A girl from my school got signed up by one of London's top model agencies. The local paper ran a story about it. When her family read it, they were surprised to read that before Sam went to London, her mum taught her how to roast a chicken to make sure she ate properly (she hadn't). When her mum questioned the paper, they said they'd added the roast chicken in to make the story more interesting . So maybe making up stories about roast chicken is a well known device in media land!

Maybe Scobie and Durand played a blinder. They started off with a fawning book and full blessing from H&M but many excerpts printed seem less sycophantic. Many details are presented factually so anyone with half a brain can make up their own minds about which side was more reasonable. Times website is currently running poll on whether they were right in leaving the RF the way they did and 73% are voting no.

S&D probably realised they have nothing to lose as they will burn bridges with MM at some point anyway Or there was genuine friction behind the scenes due to various fast-moving lawsuits and dramas. At least if they bring out a good book out they will win financially. The current excerpts have surprised a number of people by how objective or between-the-lines critical they are. Surely nobody can read the shopping anecdote about Kate and actually feel sorry for MM. If they manage to convince critics to purchase the book as well then they might be set for life. (Becoming a millionaire at the expense of losing a "friendship" with MM might be an obvious choice...)

As a PP has said, H&M are the massive losers in this. They have earned nothing, gained nothing and there's absolutely no going back now. Even if things were mended privately, the public opinion will forever be changed. They might have single-handedly triggered the beginning of the end of the monarchy. Scobie & Durand, the media and lawyers are the only winners.

[quote MrHatMancock]@MrBennsshop
Kate has worn off the shoulder for evening wear. Megan wore it for trooping the colour. They aren't supposed to wear it during the day.

Diana did wear a tuxedo and it was controversial at the time.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5978247/Prince-Harry-stands-firm-wife-wants-wear-tux-just-like-Princess-Diana-tour.html

Megan wore dark nail polish on her hands to the Brit awards, when she allowed the celebs to touch her bump. It wasn't the tackiest thing about the event by a long way.

www.today.com/style/meghan-markle-s-dark-nail-polish-broke-unspoken-royal-fashion-t144918[/quote]
You didn't mention evening wear in your post. And I won't bother with a Daily Mail link.

I'm glad she didn't stick to outdated sexist nonsense when deciding what to wear. I wonder what the queen made of the picture of her sister who appeared to be topless in a rather famous photo.....