More News on Harry and Meghan

[Viviennemary]

Two little bits of news I read today. First the bells won't ring out at Westminster Abbey for Meghans birthday next month and she'll be devastated. No I don't think she'll even expect them to ring. And I had to smile at Bogart the dog was left behind in Canada because it didn't take to Harry. What else could she do. Hardly leave Harry behind. And it would have been a worry with a baby in the house too. She did the right thing here.

I think it’s pretty clear that Kate didn’t trust her, as far as she could tell the relationship could have been over in a couple of months and could have been all over The Tig .

It was probably not personal, trust in the RF has to be earned, but the whole effusive, emoting US thing was probably pretty worrying for someone who had, as another poster said, spent her entire adult life carefully protecting her private life.

Well if the shopping thing is true and two minutes afterwards it appeared on some blog, well you can understand Kate keeping Meghan at a little distance.

Although it all seems much ado about nothing.

@MrHatMancock

It's royal protocol, not Kate's protocol.

The queen sets the standard for how the women dress and Megan didn't respect it. She wore dresses off the shoulder, dark nail polish, trousers for evening wear, hair under her collar, etc. None of the other women do this.

That's simply not true. Kate has worn off the shoulder dresses many times. Diana did, Princess Margaret did. Diana certainly wore trousers as evening wear. I can't be bothered to look up who wore what nail varnish.

According to Lady Colin Campbell's book, Meghan wore off-the-shoulder cocktail dresses to formal day functions (e.g. Trooping of the Colour), which is apparently a faux pas.
Who knew? Certainly not me, but then I don't mix in those circles. I'm sure there would have been plenty of people to inform Meghan, had she wanted to listen.

I think HM may have worn off the shoulder dresses when she was younger.

Not ots, but the dress that Beatrice wore as her wedding dress had fairly narrow straps when HM wore it.

It's surely more about whether a dress/outfit was appropriate to the occasion?

@MrBennsshop
Kate has worn off the shoulder for evening wear. Megan wore it for trooping the colour. They aren't supposed to wear it during the day.

Diana did wear a tuxedo and it was controversial at the time.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5978247/Prince-Harry-stands-firm-wife-wants-wear-tux-just-like-Princess-Diana-tour.html

Megan wore dark nail polish on her hands to the Brit awards, when she allowed the celebs to touch her bump. It wasn't the tackiest thing about the event by a long way.

www.today.com/style/meghan-markle-s-dark-nail-polish-broke-unspoken-royal-fashion-t144918

It's surely more about whether a dress/outfit was appropriate to the occasion?
Exactly, but I presume the point here is that some of Meghan's were not deemed to be. I don't know - it probably doesn't matter to 99% of the population.
And Diana certainly used to push the boundaries - she wore a man's tuxedo to one event, and adapted a jewelled necklace to wear as a headband, and she caused much comment on that first event out with Charles as a newly-engaged couple with that off-the-shoulder black taffeta number by the Emmanuels.

Surely there can be no way back for them after this? M will not ever be able to show her face at family weddings, funerals or get togethers after this. Harry maybe, but he will be there on sufferance. I can’t see how W and K could ever be close to either of them again.

@KatherineParr4

Surely there can be no way back for them after this? M will not ever be able to show her face at family weddings, funerals or get togethers after this. Harry maybe, but he will be there on sufferance. I can’t see how W and K could ever be close to either of them again.

I agree. I cant see any way back after this.

"Exactly, but I presume the point here is that some of Meghan's were not deemed to be."

I did think that the Trooping of the Colour outfit looked odd-off the shoulder & with a hat.

Whether or not it was inappropriate I've no idea.

I associate off the shoulder with eveningwear.

But I'm not in the know about stuff.

@KatherineParr4

Surely there can be no way back for them after this? M will not ever be able to show her face at family weddings, funerals or get togethers after this. Harry maybe, but he will be there on sufferance. I can’t see how W and K could ever be close to either of them again.

I disagree.

Though I think it's very unlikely.

If they came back, really knuckled down to the job, understood and respected their place in the hierarchy I can imagine that in a few decades all would be forgiven .

The other alternative is I think if they divorce (though I do not wish that on them).

I think Harry could worm his way back in on the basis of being foofed and leaving M as the villain. That however strikes me as very unfair as I think he's utterly complicit in this shit show.

"I think Harry could worm his way back in on the basis of being foofed"

Sorry but

In all honesty though, it was fine for William to tell Harry to take his time, but if they wanted a family, that was something that neither of them had.

I mean don't quite a few people in their 30s (and other ages) marry after knowing each other a couple of years?

But obviously with the distance they would have seen each other a lot less in that 2yr span.

I think it was wise of W to advise caution, take their time and be sure, as this was no ordinary situation they were entering into.
I can see on the outside it might look exciting (horse drawn carriages, titles, tiaras) but the reality is a highly regulated and protocol driven public life, matched by a more relaxed private life on the strict understanding that everything must be kept entirely confidential. That's not for everyone and needed time to be considered seriously. I suspect H was indeed blinded by the foof (she is very attractive!) and she was blinded by the castle/diamonds/prince aspect, so neither perhaps considered the future too closely?

DeRigueur since when have "fairness" and "the RF" belonged in the same sentence though?

Personally I agree that the main responsibility for this mess is Harry's, but just as happened with his father, if it comes to salvaging Harry's reputation I don't doubt that the RF would throw everything at his wife

The DM have gone mad with the articles. Thirteen I counted them. I don't think this can carry on without some intervention from the powers that be. I think Harry needs to be withdrawn from the line of succession if he wants to remain in America. What is the point of Archie having a place. He won't have a clue about royal life. I feel really sorry for him.

William’s “go slow” advice to Harry was spot on in my opinion. And I disagree that people should rush into a marriage just because their biological clock is ticking. So unfair on the child if things go wrong. Harry and Meghan could have waited another six months or so before making the engagement announcement.

H has complained that his father thinks more of his public image than the relationship with his son .It is also firmly denied that Kate cried at the dress fitting for Charlotte.
I am sure someone else has already said this but I am reminded of the Andrew Morton book when Diana denied being involved then later it was found that she indeed colluded .
If H and M are not involved I would expect a robust denial to be winging its way from LA .

@Viviennemary

The DM have gone mad with the articles. Thirteen I counted them. I don't think this can carry on without some intervention from the powers that be. I think Harry needs to be withdrawn from the line of succession if he wants to remain in America. What is the point of Archie having a place. He won't have a clue about royal life. I feel really sorry for him.

They can't remove him from the line of succession without removing PA whose conduct has been disgusting and unconscionable. PA has also most likely committed an actual crime were as PH is just behaving like a spolied brat.

Removing people from the line also creates a precedent for it to happen in the future and the Crown operates on the assumption and experience that given time people tend to forgiven and forget mistakes.

AIBU my new boyfriend-of-six-months brother's wife didn't invite me shopping

AIBU the SIL didn't give me a lift to the shop OR go out of her way to make me feel welcome in her home. I thought she would because shes the wife of the future king and a mother of two including another King and I'm a childless, American divorcee whose shagging her husbands brother.

Where was the logic in her "I thought she'd reach out to me" statement?

Scobie is ABC news Royal Contributor and a Contributing editor On royal matters for Harper’s Bazaar. He might be odious but he gets work!

Harry should be removed because he doesn't want to be royal or do royal duties. He doesn't want that for himself and his family. So if Harry and Archie were taken out then it would be Andrew next. Is that right. That would be worse. Back to the drawing board. What a mess.

Its been popping up on Blinds for ages about Meghans Diary and threats
of a tell all book. I hope this isn't the diary based book or shes sold her best hand too soon!

As a Jilly Cooper fan, I keep recalling the bit when Rupert takes Helen to stay at Penscombe for the first time, and the grooms and staff all "treat her with a seen-them-come-and-seen-them-go casualness."

Kate probably thought she was just another of and wouldn't be sticking around.

Surely his decision to not be royal would be classed as intent of abdication anyway?