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More News on Harry and Meghan

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Viviennemary · 18/07/2020 19:51

Two little bits of news I read today. First the bells won't ring out at Westminster Abbey for Meghans birthday next month and she'll be devastated. No I don't think she'll even expect them to ring. And I had to smile at Bogart the dog was left behind in Canada because it didn't take to Harry. What else could she do. Hardly leave Harry behind. And it would have been a worry with a baby in the house too. She did the right thing here.

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CrystalPuff · 26/07/2020 14:52

Not 100% sure about the timelines but wasn't Kate pregnant with Louis around the time H&M made their relationship public, and the time of the shopping incident? There were also (unsubstantiated) rumours of relationship problems between W&K during her 3rd pregnancy so welcoming MM was probably the last thing on her mind.

Rainbunny · 26/07/2020 15:00

Another Sunday Times article on the book, according to Twitter, has palace aides saying that Harry and Meghan 'refused to engage' with Thomas Markle during their relationship, and ignored advice to meet him before and after their engagement. It is thought that Meghan has not seen her father in person since she began dating Harry in 2016.

I totally believe this. We don't know the details of MM's relationship with her father but we can guess that it wasn't fun growing up with someone who is emotionally manipulative (which is my opinion of Thomas Markle). It's not to say that TM was the worst father ever, far from it but I'm glad my own lovely dad was nothing like him.

That said, I think it's clear that MM didn't want H to get anywhere near her father until it was absolutely necessary (morning of the wedding...) Was she embarassed by him? Quite likely and to be completely honest I can understand that too. However, they really screwed up by ignoring him and leaving him out there alone. MM should have bitten the bullet and made sure to properly introduce TM to H and have him brought over to the UK way ahead of time to settle and prepare him. That would have meant TM meeting Charles, Camilla and the Cambridges and of course press photos. I do think MM couldn't face the shameful prospect of her embarrassing parent being part of the festivities tbh.

Andylion · 26/07/2020 15:04

[quote KatherineParr4]www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8c80b7cc-cc10-11ea-a032-5373319f29c3?shareToken=e0bc21e60629444d26ea1d0d659b64b0[/quote]
Thank you. @KatherineParr4

Andylion · 26/07/2020 15:11

[quote KatherineParr4]www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9959087c-ce91-11ea-bbb4-8fadf03ff542?shareToken=a00619f8a4d658a000b0c39064cb7308[/quote]
Thank you, again, @KatherineParr4

Andylion · 26/07/2020 15:22

The bit about Kate not inviting her to go shopping is nuts.

I agree. According the excerpt, this was before the engagement. Maybe Kate was hoping that the relationship would fizzle out and wanted to remain aloof? Maybe she thought that if the two of them went together, it would draw media attention and she just wanted to buy some pantyhose, undisturbed?

The80sweregreat · 26/07/2020 15:32

It's all just headline grabbing bait isn't it?
The tights for the flower girls at the wedding debacle! I can see why Meghan might have thought ' get a life' about something so trivial for young children, but Kate was brought up that this was the correct way for little ones to dress in front of people etc. She was probably advised this for her own wedding too and a bit surprised that they didn't want them to wear the tights! It might sound bonkers to us ' commoners' but Kate's been around a while now and knows the correct protocol for these occasions where as Meghan doesn't ( or didn't)
It all added to the tension I suppose ! (I would have gone along with it , but then I'm a coward at getting my own way with things!
)
It's hard to pull against things and keep people happy !

MrHatMancock · 26/07/2020 15:40

It's royal protocol, not Kate's protocol.

The queen sets the standard for how the women dress and Megan didn't respect it. She wore dresses off the shoulder, dark nail polish, trousers for evening wear, hair under her collar, etc. None of the other women do this.

diddl · 26/07/2020 15:40

"Meghan on the other hand was probably stuck on her own in KP, waiting for Harry to home back from wherever, would have loved to go shopping but where? Which are the good shops? She doesn't know the area. Then she finds Kate has just been out on a spree. I would have felt hurt too."

That is hilarious.

An almost 40yr old internet/media savvy person can't find out where to shop??!!

Viviennemary · 26/07/2020 15:50

Miffed because you weren't invited to go shopping but ok for you not to invite your own family to your wedding. They are totally oblivious to logic.

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Peaseblossom22 · 26/07/2020 15:50

My first thought when I saw the bridesmaids with no tights was that I hoped they didn’t get blisters. Hard Mary Jane’s without socks/ tights would have been so uncomfortable, but then as a child I would have hated this .

The80sweregreat · 26/07/2020 15:51

Meghan had people around her who she could have asked ' where are the best places to shop? ' etc.
I would have looked on line, asked if I could have a car to take me there and gone off on my own! She might have had to have security with her , but it was all doable on her own and much easier than having to go on a bus or a train too. Dropped outside and picked up again !

MrHatMancock · 26/07/2020 15:56

Megan actually went to the same shop (Peter Jones) on her own with a female bodyguard. It was all over the papers at the time.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5104969/Meghan-Markle-spotted-Christmas-shopping-London.html

And now she's saying that she wanted Kate to invite her? Of course she didn't. She wouldn't want anyone else spoiling that photo op.

The80sweregreat · 26/07/2020 15:58

All this is being drip fed ( as I said earlier)
They are getting people to say all these things and stirring up lots of trouble.
Kate may well have slighted her once or twice ( it happens in life) and this is the ' pay back' ! Makes me wonder what else will come out?

mpsw · 26/07/2020 15:59

Does she also not consider that the two of them going out for a shopping trip could be a massive security breech?

She might not have known at the time. Because she was very new to at that back then. For the VIP to go out alone, the security detail would have had to pre-approve the trip as low risk - what the proposed outing is like, and is it genuinely random enough that no-one could predict where they'd be. Yes, phone cameras abound, but if people have snapped her (by chance) the pix aren't making their way into the public domain. And most people would think they'd seen someone very like her, not the actual her, especially if she grunged down a bit (not embarrasingkymso, but hair less glossy, understated make up, leave off the rock of an engagement ring, choose clothes that blend in)

The two of them isn't the same trip, and would need a new security OK

OTOH, if security was with her, they'd still,want to re-plan and perhaps add a person as there would be two principles to look after. It might not take long to re-arrange but is still taking up time. And they don't just go wandering off - security will know where they are going and how long they expect to be out. It's nothing at all like an ordinary person popping to the shops and browsing wherever takes their fancy

Perhaps those are the sort of restrictions in Royal life that it appears she found so difficult.

diddl · 26/07/2020 16:02

"Megan actually went to the same shop (Peter Jones) on her own with a female bodyguard. It was all over the papers at the time"

Is it not Sarah Chapman with MM?

YouSayWhat · 26/07/2020 16:09

MrMatH. I think the DM story is a different shopping trip as BL (and a former PP) has said that the incident was published in February 2017.

MrHatMancock · 26/07/2020 16:09

@diddl

"Megan actually went to the same shop (Peter Jones) on her own with a female bodyguard. It was all over the papers at the time"

Is it not Sarah Chapman with MM?

I assumed it was a police officer because her outfit is very practical.

I haven't heard of Sarah Chapman but that would fit. Megan has a lot of 'friends' who are stylists, designers, etc.

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-4084184/Emotional-ties-Victoria-Beckham-s-facialist-Sarah-Chapman.html

Mominatrix · 26/07/2020 16:09

Seriously? A woman who prides herself on her femisist identity can't find the gumption enough to go shopping on her own and holds grudges on a woman who was a relative stranger at the time? Then, to reveal a litany of petty grievances???

And this was the best that a positive spin on things could reveal?

BalloonSlayer · 26/07/2020 16:13

I have said that I know my Megham sitting along at KP bored is wrong. But I am way older than 40 and if you plonked me down in the middle of Manhattan I wouldn't have a clue where to find the "right" shops.

I still can understand why Meghan was hurt when Kate swanned off on her own, and I can equally understand why Kate did so and that it wasn't actually a snub.

BalloonSlayer · 26/07/2020 16:21

I can't help feeling that Harry has been brought up to have an idea (eg invictus games, although that might not have ever been an idea attributed to him, I don't know) and then all the staff leap in and make that idea happen.

When Harry wanted to marry Meghan he told her he knew his family would all love her, and would help her settle in and show her the ropes. And then just expected them to do so. He didn't
factor in that they might not love her like he does, might not have had the time to show her the ropes, might have expected HIM to bloody well do that himself, seeing as she's HIS wife.

William seems to have helped Kate a lot at the start. She didn't "hit the ground running," she was very nervous and hesitant.

Mominatrix · 26/07/2020 16:23

Right shops for what? Peter Jones is hardly an exciting or imaginative place to shop. Apparently Meghan had British "friends" prior to coming here (Lizzie Cundy?), a fiancé native to the city, and a litany of staff who could of helped her.

I was not a native of this city and my husband was actually busy with work and not around, yet I managed to find Peter Jones all my my lonesomes and likeminded friends too. I must be quite remarkable.

YgritteSnow · 26/07/2020 16:32

My first thought when I saw the bridesmaids with no tights was that I hoped they didn’t get blisters. Hard Mary Jane’s without socks/ tights would have been so uncomfortable, but then as a child I would have hated this .

Same. Maybe it's as simple as Kate knowing her child wouldn't like it and might perform over it. I know that would have been on my mind in that situation.

Serenster · 26/07/2020 16:34

"Meghan on the other hand was probably stuck on her own in KP, waiting for Harry to home back from wherever, would have loved to go shopping but where? Which are the good shops? She doesn't know the area. Then she finds Kate has just been out on a spree. I would have felt hurt too."

Meghan had published recommendations for dining and shopping in London on her blog The Tig long before this, so I am mystified by the view that she was clueless in London.

YgritteSnow · 26/07/2020 16:34

And I don't think it's about the shopping incident in particular. I think Kate had her at arms length for whatever reasons and the shopping was just something Meghan could point to as an actual incident of Kate being unwelcoming.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/07/2020 16:40

W&K are not going to open up easily to someone with a high social media presence, they would need to be absolutely sure that MM understood the need for discretion

This sums it up pretty well for me; why would they risk their carefully crafted image by over sharing with someone Harry barely knew, and who was already known to plaster a great deal on social media?

Nor will it just be W&K. Nobody knows how much of the grotesque Scobie's book is true, but does anyone imagine all those A listers H&M seem so keen on will want to risk their names featuring in some future edition? Maybe Oprah will hang around in the hope of an interview, but I'll be surprised if the rest are seen for dust