Princess Beatrice is Married!

[alliwantisagoodnightssleep]

Daily Mail reports they have privately married at Windsor Castle.

Lovely news if true.

I hope they have a lifetime of love and happiness.

"I'd love to know how a dress can be altered that much"

It may not have been altered much at all other than the sleeves & the length.

I'd love to know how a dress can be altered that much. Obviously the bottom bit was added, but I'd guess that Beatrice is bigger than the Queen was when she wore that dress, just because she is so much taller. How do you scale up a fitted bodice like that?

Seamstresses used to leave generous seam allowances for exactly that reason. They still do for bespoke garments. There was probably plenty to let out.

Off course it helps when dresses are well made like this one. Fast fashions of today really don’t compare at all and wouldn’t hold up against alterations. When this dress was made, clothes were often let out, taken up, let down etc.

Photos of the dress show that it had already been altered - when first worn it had a bubble style hem, and then later it had a normal straight hem. So it probably had sufficient length at the hem to deal with alterations for height - but the fabric might have been too damaged to make that possible. Brushing along the floor/being trodden on etc doesn't tend to be too good for silk fabrics! I though the new fabric sewn on was a good way of dealing with what might have been a necessary alteration.

According to the Holy Google, they’re the same height - 5’4!

How can that be?

@GiantKitten

According to the Holy Google, they’re the same height - 5’4!

How can that be?

The Queen’s shrunk with age, most people do. She’s also quite bent these days, she’s got a dowager’s hump.

The queen’s height probably hasn’t been measured for a while. She’s definitely not 5’4 anymore, although she probably was. Beatrice looks a solid 5’4.

Oh yes, HM has clearly shrunk (It was very noticeable in the Obama/Trump photos when Trump visited), but she must have still been 5’4 when she last wore it!

So the massive extra length must just be down to repairs/high heels.

Going back to a comment few pages ago about the Queen's attitude to second weddings (although I don't want to set off an argument), but she feels so strongly about them that she didn't attend the second weddings of either of her own children. It's one of the things that people who claim she did nothing to support Meghan either don't realise, or ignore - the Queen attended divorcee Meghan's second wedding in a COE church. That's a really big deal from the Queen, and a huge signal of how she wanted to seen to be supporting the marriage. So maybe she wasn't smiling happily for the whole service - but she was there!

I don’t think the queen was five four as a young woman. I have seen Princess Margaret’s dresses in the exhibition in Bath, and she was tiny, I don’t think the queen was a lot taller ? The Queen was also smaller than Beatrice, Beatrice has a small waist but the queen has tiny ribs and a very small waist with a generous bust.
The re- shaping of the dress worked beautifully though, it looks absolutely lovely.

Serenster while it is true that the Queen did not go to the civil ceremony for Charles and Camilla, she did attend their service of blessing. And she definitely went to Princess Anne’s second wedding, at Crathie Kirk. Philip and the Queen Mother were also there, along with Charles, Andrew and Edward.

I think it would very petty & unplesant to refuse to attend your children's weddings because you disapprove of second marriages. Especially when you are happy to attend church with the child who (allegedly) abused trafficked women.
But I see from a follow up poster it was horseshit & the queen does go to second weddings so wasn't doing H& M any especial favour.

@TheNavigator

I think it would very petty & unplesant to refuse to attend your children's weddings because you disapprove of second marriages. Especially when you are happy to attend church with the child who (allegedly) abused trafficked women. But I see from a follow up poster it was horseshit & the queen does go to second weddings so wasn't doing H& M any especial favour.

Until the General Synod meeting of 2002 HMQ possibly felt conflicted attending second weddings (where the first spouse was still alive, or they had been the cause of the marriage breakdown) due to her position as Head of The Church of England.

Do you always have to be so unpleasant, The Navigator? I apologise for getting it incorrect about Princess Anne, as while I knew she had got remarried in the Church of Scotland, I had recalled incorrectly as it turns out that the Queen did attend. She definitely did not attend Prince Charles and Camilla's registry office wedding however, despite it being at Windsor. She attended the church blessing afterwards - but that is an entirely different thing.

I am sorry if you found my post unpleasant, but really, why did you post incorrect information to try and make the queen out to be doing some big favour to H& M? Why did you want to undermine MM (you were trying to make out MM was wrong to feel unwelcome when queenie had done her a favour - when actually she hadn't). This is a thread about Beatrice's wedding, but some posters will twist and turn to try and drag a negative about MM into it. That is unpleasant.

Or maybe just someone from a different generation TheNavigator

my mil wouldn’t attend a second wedding either. Different generation.

But the queen does and has attended second weddings.

Her decision in part was because C & C’s wedding was at the Guild Hall which is a public building, much more security and planning needed vs Beatrice’s that was in a church on the royal estate, easy to just shut the Great Park. Also the wedding had already been postponed by a few days due to the Pope’s death/funeral.

This (Meghan's divorcee status and the Queen's attendance at a church wedding) was covered in any number of publications before the Sussex's wedding, Navigator. Just because you hadn't read them doesn't mean it wasn't something that was speculated about by many commentators. The Queen reportedly take her role as the Head of the Church of England very seriously, and this influences her views on second marriages being celebrated in churches. And the information I posted was partly correct - she did not attend her son's second wedding.

I seem to remember reading that Margaret was 5 foot 2.

Goodness me, even Bea’s wedding day ends up with discussing MM and she wasn’t even there!

@alliwantisagoodnightssleep

Goodness me, even Bea’s wedding day ends up with discussing MM and she wasn’t even there!

I know - the contortions to drag her in are something to behold

I think Margaret was only 5ft 1. Apparently when she was a child Queen Mary said to her my how small you are Margaret. Nice. But she was definitely smaller than the Queen who was around 5ft 2 and a bit from what I've read.

Ignore me if this is too much hair-splitting, but Anne was married in the Church of Scotland rather than the Church of England ... I just wonder if this made any difference to how HM felt about attending second marriage there?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Ignore me if this is too much hair-splitting, but Anne was married in the Church of Scotland rather than the Church of England ... I just wonder if this made any difference to how HM felt about attending second marriage there?

No. She just didn’t attend Charles & Camilla’s because it was a registry office. Zara was married in Scotland too.

Puzzledandpissedoff

Ignore me if this is too much hair-splitting, but Anne was married in the Church of Scotland rather than the Church of England ... I just wonder if this made any difference to how HM felt about attending second marriage there?

HM is head of the C of E which has different rules etc. In Scotland it is acceptable to have a second wedding in a church so there was no conflict .
HM and PP did not attend C and C’s wedding although they attended the Blessing . At the time I read that she was surprised at the grandeur.