Harry and Meghan, more news!

[callmeadoctor]

New thread following on old one: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/3932323-Harry-and-Meghan-news?msgid=97617755

Agreed @derxa and she did it in a fancy green cape

Fergus absolutely did do it. And nearly tripped over running across to accept flowers from somebody in the crowd. She had handed the baby over to Andrew.

Fergie that should be! This correction thing is getting worse and worse.

Serenster
Blimey, you had more time than me, thanks for the info. Thanks for the fact checking exercise!
Still think, it's unnecessary and that a photo of the couple and baby after say a week would be quite adequate.

Ouch that private eye cover. What shits they are to say that

Royalty in itself is a bizarre concept for 2020. I think many Royals understand there are certain things that must be done "to keep their subjects happy", in exchange for the privilege of a life that wasn't earned through merit, talent or intelligence.

I don't think it's THAT much of a sacrifice to pose for a photo when leaving hospital. It's a joyful occasion and despite being intimidating on a personal level, those few minutes can leave a lasting impact on millions. I suppose the point is that many people have jobs where you need to "buck up" and get on with things despite feeling less than up for it. I think it was much harder on Kate when she had to attend Christmas service with morning sickness (George).

Of course childbirth gets turned into a question of womens rights but in the case of Royalty it's more a question of professional obligation. You can argue that people in that stratosphere of privilege do not owe their subjects anything. But this won't make them any more likeable or relatable (case in point PA). If you're leaving the hospital anyway with a baby, what difference would stopping for 20 seconds to smile for a photo make? In Anne's case she didn't even care but the public still got their shot and was satisfied to some extent.

That was just a general post, and not specifically bashing MM. Their behaviour surrounding the birth was odd but obviously the public do not know all the details. If it had been a planned or emergency section then she probably couldn't have stood up following the birth so full sympathies there.

Harry seemed to have struck gold when he fell in love with MM and, leading up to the engagement, I was fascinated by this woman who was going to sweep away a lot of the stiff formality of the RF. It mattered not one jot that she was biracial and an actress - what mattered was that she looked at Harry with love. To me, all this changed watching the engagement interview. I was taken aback by her command of the situation (and of him) and that she was clearly leading the couple's reactions and responses. He sat there like a lovelorn lummox while she took centre stage. I suppose I was used to interviews where the shy and self-effacing newcomer shivered with nervous anticipation and nibbled gratefully at any tidbits thrown to her by the interviewer. This lady was something different! I knew then that this was not going to be an easy journey for the pair but not that the opting out would happen so soon and so comprehensively. I'm 68 so have lived through a fair bit of royal upset but I dont see this ending well for Harry. I hope I'm wrong.

How much of this is Harry? “I had to parade behind my mother’s coffin, I am not putting my newborn son out on parade”?

I recall there was a good deal of respect for them not going through that pantomime, but it may also be because of the hospital they chose - the entrance to the Portland is directly into a very busy London road. It would have cause major pandemonium to have had the press there - unlike st Mary’s where there’s a helpful courtyard that can be sealed off.
What they lost respect for at that point was then failing to issue a photo (taken at their own convenience) which actually showed the baby.
Similarly, re the comments up thread about the baby shower - nobody would expectancy American woman to forgo the traditions that she’s have been looking forward w - but he gods, the way she did it! Kate’s baby showers were discreet affairs with no press. A private jet / top floor of hotels / paparazzi at the doors for the trips to NY’s fanciest restaurants/ the lavish goodie bags etc etc all just so ludicrous (I seem to recall that there was an article at the time demonstrating that meghan’s instructions to the hotel / friends / delivery people which were against the advice of her security staff massively enhanced the ability of the paparazzi to get good clear shots. Some might suggest stage managed).

Here’s the article - the telegraph and FOI documents - she wanted to make it look like she was doing the $500k shower discreetly despite being told that the use of the service entrance would make the timings of her comings / goings at the hotel more obvious www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/06/meghan-markle-asked-police-help-leave-baby-shower-side-exit/amp/

How much of this is Harry? “I had to parade behind my mother’s coffin, I am not putting my newborn son out on parade”?

Did Harry say this? I don't know, he seemed happy enough to 'parade' at other times, such as at his massively public and expensive wedding. It's all part and parcel, IMO.

I can see why people accuse them of wanting to have their cake & eat it TBH

Did Harry say this?
No

I think the idea of a woman posing for the world's media is horrific. I don't know how Kate did it. MM was absolutely right not to agree to do it. However the arrangements around announcing Archie's birth were awful. I think this is because MM tried to control it and do it her way rather than let BP ,who have handled royal announcements flawlessly for years, do it.

Lady Campbell being interviewed on This Morning. Quality telly lol. Apparently when you write a biography on someone it's best not to know the person
She's not getting an easy ride on there and she is getting very arsey and slagging off Paul Burrell, Dicky Arbiter and saying a lot of 'he said, she said, I know, no one else does.'
Philip has just called her a gossip ... this is hilarious.

Apparently you cannot be mentally healthy unless you have integrity, which is why her book is being written. Okaaaaayyyyy....
She's batshit. They cut her off as she got into ranting territory...

The only true thing she's said is... anything they do is subject to a lot of antagonism of people.

Well, on the subject of the walk behind the coffin Harry was quoted as saying "I don't think any child should be asked to do that, under any circumstances. I don't think it would happen today", and if this is true he was absolutely right. I honestly struggle with the idea that any family would countenance this idea, but then they're hardly a normal family

As for the silly "tradition" that's built up of the maternity wing appearances - why? What does it matter when we already get to see photos in their own good time? Granted everyone loves to see a new baby, but what difference is a few days going to make?

Philip has just called (Lady Colin Campbell) a gossip

For a moment there I thought you meant Prince Philip!!

I expect the man himself has any number of words to describe her, and I doubt they include "gossip" ... or "lady", come to that

However the arrangements around announcing Archie's birth were awful. I think this is because MM tried to control it and do it her way rather than let BP
Was it really 'awful'? How do you know that it was Meghan and not Harry?

@Roussette

Lady Campbell being interviewed on This Morning. Quality telly lol. Apparently when you write a biography on someone it's best not to know the person She's not getting an easy ride on there and she is getting very arsey and slagging off Paul Burrell, Dicky Arbiter and saying a lot of 'he said, she said, I know, no one else does.' Philip has just called her a gossip ... this is hilarious. Apparently you cannot be mentally healthy unless you have integrity, which is why her book is being written. Okaaaaayyyyy.... She's batshit. They cut her off as she got into ranting territory...

The only true thing she's said is... anything they do is subject to a lot of antagonism of people.

so she doesn't even know them!! sadly people will read this trashy book and think its all true.

She's never met them

@thisenglishlife come on get real.......everything is Meghans fault

For a moment there I thought you meant Prince Philip!! grin
Me too!
I expect the man himself has any number of words to describe her...
This made me chuckle

I don't know, he seemed happy enough to 'parade' at other times

Have you walked as a child behind your parent’s coffin? If you haven’t show some respect. You do not have to have an opinion on everything, especially something you have not experienced.

Lady Campbell being interviewed on This Morning. Quality telly lol.

Why do they give her airtime and public airtime? There are so many stupid people out there who will believe her rubbish.

In Anne's case she didn't even care but the public still got their shot and was satisfied to some extent.

Was it the media circus it is today? Did people camp outside the hospital for days? Ring the hospital posing as someone else resulting in the death of a nurse? Treat Anne despicably before she had the baby? Times change. What Anne did is irrelevant.