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Harry and Meghan news

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callmeadoctor · 08/06/2020 09:29

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1292590/meghan-markle-prince-harry-la-career-plans-latest-royal-news

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Viviennemary · 10/06/2020 13:26

It would be helpful to get clarification on this. I read the graduation ceremony had been postponed and the ceremony would take place at a later date to be announced. So whether that means the real life ceremony as opposed to the virtual one I'm not sure. I had thought about e-mailing the school for clarification to clear up this speculation but thought that would be seen as a bit cheeky and they probably would want to keep matters private.

Roussette · 10/06/2020 13:38

I had thought about e-mailing the school for clarification to clear up this speculation

Really? Gosh Shock
Please don't do that on my account because I'm not speculating about anything to speak of Grin

AFAIC she did a speech that was looked upon very favourably. The students loved it, were very moved, some to tears and that's it

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caperberries · 10/06/2020 14:07

The students loved it, were very moved, some to tears and that's it

Really what's your source for this? Have many of the students been quoted talking about it? I'd love to see their comments if you have a link.

Personally I think it's pretty strange that the school didn't make some sort of announcement if they did indeed invite her to talk. Personally, I get the impression that the speech was unsolicited, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Froq · 10/06/2020 14:24

It’s so strange that these things are leaked.

I’m sure we’d all have assumed they’d wish PP a happy birthday.

ARoseInHarlem · 10/06/2020 14:51

I don’t think it matters much whether she was asked to give a commencement speech, or offered. I’m sure offering happens all the time by all and sundry, and you’d have to be pretty awful to be turned down, which (for the record) I don’t think she is. The main audience was Essence magazine, and the message got out. I thought it was quite a bland message, but it seems to have been well-received by people who found it supportive. So, fine.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8405595/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-shifting-focus-support-Black-Lives-Matter-movement.html

This, if true, brothers me more. There was a report somewhere (can’t remember where I saw it) about Oprah setting up a discussion panel (maybe for her network?) on current events, considering including MM. The piece I read said Oprah was in two minds about having MM on the panel, lest she detract attention from the discussion itself as it would be her first appearance on US TV since she left the RF.

The phrase that often comes to mind thinking about H&M is “a rolling stone gathers no moss”. One day it’s women’s issues; the next education; the next dogs; then mental health; then environmental damage; elephants; now this. Yes, all Royals have multiple patronages, and yes it’s possible to skim the surface of many causes and it be enough to lend a royal or celebrity stamp of approval.

But BLM, climate change, women’s rights - these are all huge and weighty things. To be taken seriously on any of these, you have to devote a lifetime to these matters. And in these fields, the space is exceptionally crowded with experts.

What does Harry think he can lend to the BLM movement, fgs? He is literally a Prince in the British Royal Family, which remains fiercely proud of its history encompassing the Empire. I mean, come ON. It’s no different from flying on private jets while preaching about carbon footprints.

I believe fully that MM feels passionately about the BLM movement. But she’s married a man who, as an adult, thought it was okay to dress up as a nazi; referred to a P**i fellow military man. Maybe he’s evolved, but it’s difficult to hold credibility when you’ve accepted this ambiguity into your life by marrying it. It’s a crowded field and there are so many more credible headliners.

It’s this fickle, flitting about that I find off putting. Of course it’s possible to love dogs and hate racism and sexism and climate damage all at the same time. I venture all of us do. But to professionalise that and make a living out of it - how does that work, other than through Instagram likes and tagging that onto some other form of celebrity (eg by being a sportsperson, a royal, an A List actress (and even then) etc).

FruitPastillesaregood · 10/06/2020 15:03

I just find the release of statements from 'someone close' about who they are calling very bizarre indeed. Their family relationships should be private.

TheNavigator · 10/06/2020 15:18

I actually think Harry's experience as a member of one of the last bastions of white privilege, who married a woc and was then taken aback by the hideous abuse that ensued, gives him a unique insight into BLM. So I do think they both have something to bring to the field in that area.

SenecaFallsRedux · 10/06/2020 15:29

To be taken seriously on any of these, you have to devote a lifetime to these matters.

A person of color, even a relatively privileged one, who has grown up in the US, has a lifetime of lived experience with racial injustice. In addition to which, the death of George Floyd has awakened many people, of all ethnicities, to the importance of addressing these matters.

Froq · 10/06/2020 15:31

Agreed @ARoseInHarlem

I don’t think H can contribute anything to BLM. He can learn an awful lot though so if that’s his intention then I don’t see a problem with it.

Roussette · 10/06/2020 15:36

Really what's your source for this? Have many of the students been quoted talking about

About 3 articles taken from the american press on Twitter. Feel free to look.

Roussette · 10/06/2020 15:42

Here's one from Newsweek. There's more out there. But I don't want to spend my afternoon looking for them

[[https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-speech-black-lives-matter-george-floyd-1508591]

Roussette · 10/06/2020 15:44

So calling hs Grandfather on his 99th birthday and doing a zoom call is 'desperate for attention'.

I thought that's what people did! They keep in touch with family.

Froq · 10/06/2020 15:47

I wonder why the article doesn’t quote the students

ARoseInHarlem · 10/06/2020 15:49

@TheNavigator

You’re right, I do think it would be an immense thing if H were to do some reckoning of what’s going on around him, where he stands in all this, and reflect seriously and in a considered way about what he can say or do. I’m not sure he can provide anything meaningful without renouncing his ties to the BRF, though. How can you remain a beneficiary of a system - not just a beneficiary but an actual Prince, living off inherited wealth and titles - without renouncing your ties to the institution? The still proud head of the ex-British Empire, the still proud head of the Commonwealth. Worse, for him, is his sole surviving parent and sole sibling are going to be Kings. It’s personal, too. Perhaps there will be a way. Who knows. It would take a tremendous amount of courage. Tremendous.

@SenecaFallsRedux yes, you’re right. I’m a WOC. I’ve had a lifetime of lived experiences as a woman, and a person of colour. Neither qualifies me as an expert in women’s right or race relations. I’ve not read extensively about women’s suffrage movements around the world; FGM in Western Africa; matriarchies in South America (etc etc). I’ve not read about race relations across Europe or Asia; inter-tribal atrocities in central Africa, or any other race-based specialisms beyond those that pertain to my own heritage. There are people in universities around the world who have written theses and books and lectures and articles about things I know nothing about. Campaigners who devote years to the bone-crunchingly slow progress. People who work for charities, lawyers who work pro bono, teachers who change national curricula - I could go on. I can talk about my own experiences, but that doesn’t make me an expert in anything other than myself. As far as I’m aware, that’s MM’s expertise too (plus the insight of being married to a white Canadian and then a white British prince which I don’t have).

Roussette · 10/06/2020 15:50

I have no idea. Maybe they don't want to be quoted by name? Maybe there are other articles who do?

I only know that her address to the students appeared to be well received both here and over the pond. Apart from those who don't give her credit for anything both here and there.

HarryDaylight · 10/06/2020 15:50

So calling hs Grandfather on his 99th birthday and doing a zoom call is 'desperate for attention'.

It is if one's grandfather is Prince Philip, and one contacts Hello! Magazine to inform them.

Roussette · 10/06/2020 15:52

It says a source.

That could mean anyone.

thisenglishlife · 10/06/2020 15:53

The phrase that often comes to mind thinking about H&M is “a rolling stone gathers no moss”. One day it’s women’s issues; the next education; the next dogs; then mental health; then environmental damage; elephants; now this. Yes, all Royals have multiple patronages...
So why criticise them for it? Or they not allowed to work with multiple people or work on more than one issue?

thisenglishlife · 10/06/2020 15:54

Are they not or they

Roussette · 10/06/2020 15:55

Prince Andrew had about 300 patronages if I remember correctly on an article I read earlier.

He's had to give most of them up of course. Because of his behaviour.

HarryDaylight · 10/06/2020 15:57

It says a source

No, it says a source close to the couple

ARoseInHarlem · 10/06/2020 16:04

@thisenglishlife and @Roussette

Of course they can! But I don’t think I’ve heard any of that generation of Royals say they’re “passionate” about each and every cause. There’s so much emoting, passion, caring deeply, profound belief in causes from H&M. W&K are tending to do this too, the emoting and deep caring. For the regular cogs in the Royal machine, it’s work. Just getting on with things. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good to be passionately engaged in things. But I just don’t think it’s possible to be passionately engaged in the causes they’ve already highlighted, all the time. And if it’s not all the time, it can’t really be a true passion, can it?

That’s the danger, I think. Where was the outspoken passion for the BLM movement which has existed for years, actively) before George Floyd? Sure, new interests can emerge at any point in anybody’s life. But you can’t develop a passion for something in 3 weeks.

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