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Harry and Meghan News ( Finding Freedom!)

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callmeadoctor · 19/05/2020 17:42

twitter.com/i/web/status/1261788333577056257 This is so funny if anybody fancies a giggle, royals eye rolling!!!

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DateLoaf · 31/05/2020 10:33

those posters better give their advice on the positive thread. maybe they can be pr to them, too.

Grin No. This isn’t a thread which exists to ‘be negative’ about H&M unlike the ‘positive’ threads about H&M which are tone policed. This thread and its predecessors have deviated into all sorts of interesting side avenues with lots of different viewpoints. You can always start a ‘negative’ thread if you want Bluebell.

TimeLady · 31/05/2020 10:36

From today's Sunday Times

Prince Andrew didn’t think it was all over, but it is now

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f3a59044-a28a-11ea-b8ef-bc1da708794a?shareToken=6e124f423f0150501a303c69bda1246a

mooching · 31/05/2020 10:44

I agree with @DateLoaf that I enjoy this thread simply because it has broad opinions both positive and negative. I rarely think people deserve vitriol but neither blind adoration and I like hearing different opinions.

CopperBeeches · 31/05/2020 10:45

DateLoaf - This thread and its predecessors have deviated into all sorts of interesting side avenues with lots of different viewpoints

That is exactly what I have loved about it. History, psychology, finance, public life, relationships, media plus many little side stories and analyses of events by people with different life experience. There is a lot to learn.

ButteryPuffin · 31/05/2020 10:48

Haven't read the original Tatler article but looking at the Mail's recap of it, it's pretty unpleasant in parts. Some stuff though is clearly Pasternak's rampant snobbery, such as Anmer not being a typical aristocratic home with worn out rugs and dog hair everywhere; instead it was like a five star hotel with plumped up cushions and candles! I know where I'd rather be. Just looks like outdated snobbery. But I agree that they will want to take a stand against the things that could cause a deeper rift, and also that the public might resent, like the 'work load of a CEO' bit.

Meghan and Harry's mistake has been trying to make their court case into an all out moral crusade against the way papers have represented them. I think the Royals are right to be generally wary of taking legal action but Kate and William's route to success is to argue the case properly (i.e. let their QC do their job) and stick to the relevant issues.

ButteryPuffin · 31/05/2020 10:49

And incidentally, the comments on the Mail story were almost all supportive. (As they were when the Sussexes first announced they were taking legal action - it was subsequent events that changed people's views.)

TimeLady · 31/05/2020 10:51

Job opportunity for Harry? Grin

Andy Harries, executive producer of The Crown, had been “mulling” the idea of same-household casting for weeks before giving the go-ahead to his company, Left Bank Pictures.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d8e3350-a2a6-11ea-b8ef-bc1da708794a?shareToken=bf842f8410bd564bd2247293441cdedc

Viviennemary · 31/05/2020 10:52

I am beginning to think Harry will be back when their year awsy is up. Perhaps even Meghan too. That Tatler article wasn't nice but really what a storm in a teacup.

ButteryPuffin · 31/05/2020 10:52

those posters better give their advice on the positive thread. maybe they can be pr to them, too.

I'll post where I want @bluebell34567, thanks all the same. Thanks for your comments on this @DateLoaf!

mooching · 31/05/2020 10:52

I do not read Tatler but my mother has occasionally bought it and I've flicked through at the hairdressers so I am no expert but, I am surprised that this article was published in Tatler. I thought they were all about supporting / discussing the rich and famous rather than low blow articles ripping them to shreds. Am I wrong?

MissEliza · 31/05/2020 13:05

@WindsorBlues you might be right. Some of the themes of the article are the same old ones eg Kate is work shy, Carole is pushy and nouveau riche. I've thought for a while that Kate's image and media profile improved tremendously when MM came on the scene as they had someone new to write about.

yoloPenguinsEatfish · 31/05/2020 13:07

Winterlife that Pasternak story - how terrible.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 31/05/2020 13:08

It's an odd piece for the Tatler and a misjudgment. Their core readership
will not be sympathetic, nor I suspect by extension their advertisers. Bit of an own goal, imo.

DateLoaf · 31/05/2020 13:49

It seems a bit of a pity that K&W are suing Tatler. I didn’t think the article said anything that terrible about anyone that hasn’t been said before, even if some of what it said didn’t ring true. (admittedly I only read it once a few days ago). Yes some people still haven’t got over Prince William marrying ‘a commoner’ Hmm but that’s really their problem, and once Kate is Queen those same people will all be falling over themselves to ingratiate with her. Suing seems unusually thin-skinned or short termist and risking opening tins of worms.

With way bigger and more important things going on in the world, I’d have thought W&K or Kate, whoever is driving this, would just want to just give their public rebuttal statement which they’ve already done, and then ignore and move on.

For example, W&K keeping up the good relationship with H&M in LA over time will speak for itself on that topic.

I wondered if the fact that the Tatler article is from Anna Pasternak who also wrote a book highlighting Diana’s relationship with James Hewitt has made them feel worse ? Or if it’s because it’s written in Tatler which is read by their circle? It was a snobby article but.. it’s in Tatler magazine, which is completely built on snobby concepts like ‘high society’. And if snobbery were illegal then a lot of people would have been locked up a long time ago...

Or.. please adjust your tinfoil hat.. is there a more personal agenda playing in to this? Is a factor in this legal action part of the rift-healing, a kind of ‘solidarity’ effort with M&H who rail against the media? Have H&M’s complaints against the media drawn a helpful line in the sand for Kate to use? or is it that Kate’s never explaining or complaining over years of terrible personal press has made Meghan look quite thin-skinned, so Kate doing this puts all the Fab Four in the same frame? I feel like suing on this one maybe brings more attention to this article than it seems to deserve.

DateLoaf · 31/05/2020 13:51

made Meghan look quite thin-skinned

Sorry that should have read: Meghan and Harry.

alliwantisagoodnightssleep · 31/05/2020 14:08

I think the accusation that Kate has an eating disorder may have something to do with it. The article was thinly veiled assassination attempt and a reminder that Kate shouldn’t forget where she came from as the high society hasn’t and won’t. It was an odious piece of “journalism”.

HarryDaylight · 31/05/2020 14:54

Winterlife your family's history with Pasternak is tragic. What a despicable thing to do.

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 31/05/2020 15:35

Not a regular poster but I pop in occasionally.

The Tatler have always been sniping at the Middletons for being "NQOC". I can't find the original Tatler article but the Mail has the highlights and this is typical of the venom they write. I don't think it occurred to the brainless muppet at Tatler that the Middletons had the "smartest" tennis racquets because they are tennis players. To play properly a few racquets are needed and they will be very smart up to date racquets because they are the best. I am sure that the Tatler writer thinks Marlborough pupils should turn up with their great-grandather's gut string wooden racquet complete with press.

I am not a KM fan, too Little House on the Prairie for me but Tatler are nasty and always have been.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2317595/Duchess-Cambridges-family-galling-parents-says-mother-Marlborough-College-schoolmate.html

DateLoaf · 31/05/2020 15:48

Fair enough, I didn’t read that article as asserting an eating disorder but I maybe wasn’t reading their subtext enough. I read it about Kate being placed under a lot of stress. I bet she is under stress. Kate is very slim, but she comes from a slim and sporty family and she has a busy job, three kids and has a king in waiting for a husband (!). It sounds very stressful being constantly photographed and expected to be a clotheshorse as well as saying and doing all the right things all the time. She seems like someone who responds by exercising and eating healthily rather than reachIng for the gin and chocolate like the rest of us are able to do, which must be crap for her, I would have thought. But hopefully royal life has it has its perks for her too. Smile

TimeLady · 31/05/2020 16:03

Tatler article here

www.tatler.com/article/the-duchess-of-cambridge-is-the-julyaugust-cover

FannyCann · 31/05/2020 16:10

"I’ve spent quite a lot of time around Kate and she is impenetrable. There is nothing to like or dislike.’"

Ouch. Kate obviously knows who to trust and who not to trust and the arms length friend is cross about it. Probably on the receiving end of the politest grey rock treatment ever and stung by it. Well done Kate.

SunbathingDragon · 31/05/2020 16:28

I think the article is spiteful and even the bits that are supposed to sound nice and supportive, such as working as hard as a CEO, are intentionally negative in the knowledge that the public won’t be sympathetic to someone complaining that they have to smile at a few more people and cut open a few more ribbons (which is what some deem royal work as being). After all, we are in the middle of a pandemic with the economy tanking so complaining you can’t take your child to school is likely to sound completely out of touch.

Considering in decades Kate’s family and friends have stayed quiet, I don’t believe numerous ones have come out of the woodwork now. Also, what work did H&M do? Meghan had only just joined the RF and not taken on much and Harry mainly had military roles which neither W or K have covered. Have they really given them more work to do?

KayakingOnDown · 31/05/2020 19:47

I'm disappointed that K and W are suing. They are sinking to H&M's level, and giving H&M some justification now for their vendetta against the press.
It would be classier to just issue the rebuttal, move on and rise above it.

Wolfgirrl · 31/05/2020 19:48

I wonder what the 'Kate is so classy, she never complains' fans will say about this 😂😂

BarleylemonPenguin · 31/05/2020 19:56

Very interesting development, this suing business. What happened to 'never complain, never explain'? Why would they bother to go down a very stressful, costly, bothersome and unedifying route of suing Tatler? Unless... there's an issue so big that they feel that they can't let it go. What is that issue? The article is certainly mocking ('Catherine the Great' is the exact antithesis of the real Catherine the Great, who inoculated herself, and her son ("Catherine risked her life for science") against smallpox, a process that was greatly feared by the population at the time. Anna Pasternak would know this). Would they sue for mockery? Perhaps... if that mockery instigates even more troublesome issues for them such as inviting evaluations of their usefulness during this pandemic crisis. The answer is, of course, zero. The public expect something in times of trouble, but they have delivered nothing. So, they sue in order to puff up their importance in the eyes of the population, who are on the brink of asking some very hard questions. They are suing for their very survival.

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