A positive thread on Harry and Meghan (aka Thread 5)

[Mummy195]

A continuation for those who would like to look at the positive side of Harry and Meghan.

When H was in the army my understanding was that everyone had a non-pc nickname.

Well that's the most inventive excuse I've read.

The soldier who was subjected to the racial slur didn't think that was his "non-pc nickname", although he did state he had no hard feelings, and that Harry phoned him personally to apologize.

I think when Justin Tr made his apology about blacked face, a lot of ppl understood because since then his actions have shown he is grown from that backwards thinking.

I think you would be wrong about that. People here saw his apology for what it was - insincere. Justin Trudeau was not a child when he appeared in blackface, he was 28 years old. It also wasn't the first time he'd done that.

Here's one perspective, from the left -

The unfortunate mistakes of a privileged young man became a national embarrassment. The real tragedy isn’t what Trudeau did. It’s what the Canadian people and political class did by returning this posturing man to Parliament as our prime minister. We sent a message to the world that we lack principle and true fidelity to the progressive causes of pluralism and social justice we espouse.

thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/12/02/Trudeau-Blackface-Scandal-Test-Failed/

The conservative perspective is far more brutal.

pH dressing as a nazi was plain stupid. With his family history he should have know better.he was a young man then, so he will have grown up.
I am sure he regrets it.
Can't comment on the army banter,except to say that lots of peoplein stressful situations use dark humour.

Can't comment on the army banter,except to say that lots of peoplein stressful situations use dark humour.

It wasn’t “banter”. It was speech that could easily earn the average Joe a criminal record.

The constant sychophantic attempts to minimise royal misdeeds and amplify any royal achievement are exactly what’s wrong here.

I can't go into it here (too identifying) but a job I had so much relied on dark humour, if I typed it out it maybe would look awful, but we were at the worst end of something and dark humour just kept us going really.

I am not excusing H, he was an entitled twat at the time, and should've had more sense, or been advised better, who knows. I bet he bitterly regrets it because it's brought up again and again. I do think he's grown up a lot since then.

It's a bit like Melania Trump's nude pics (of which there are loads, girl on girl etc). She must hate them.

Gosh dark humour has saved me at times.
I remember me and my friend killing ourselves laughing over something, that to an outsider would have not been funny.

It is something that happened years ago. He like most people will have grown up and seen. The error of his ways.

Totally of topic
Isn't it strange that there is no eurovision this year

I can't go into it here (too identifying) but a job I had so much relied on dark humour, if I typed it out it maybe would look awful, but we were at the worst end of something and dark humour just kept us going really.

Come on now. Dark humour is one thing. “Paki” is not dark humour. It is racial hatred and I’d appreciate if you stopped trying to apologise for it or explain it away,

So essentially you choose to be Pollyannaish, aren’t concerned with facts, and are coming at this emotionally rather than analyse

What are these facts you are referring to.

I am fascinated that some of you - well, 2 or 3 of you, really - (who I have seen around MN for years and always thought sensible and balanced) are so determined to split all commentary on the Sussexes into “pro”& “anti”, “positive” vs “haters”.
not too sure if you should be following ppl around where they post.

So this relentless NEGATIVITY has to be blindly maintained irrespective of what they do?
There, corrected that for you.

Critical thinking allowed
😂 😂 😂

It’s part of what’s so interesting; These emotional, irrational reactions. Sensible, middle aged women, with professional jobs or responsibilities, talking with a straight face about the whole nation feels spiteful and angry
There, corrected that one for you.

*I've been on your threads in the past. I've tried to discuss. The result of that was a poster endlessly telling everyone again and again an again to Scroll on By.

I have to correct this, Roussette, because the OP made a similar claim.*
Fleas I pretty much wrote exactly what happened to me. Someone threw profanities at me directly. I cannot communicate with such ppl. They come on this thread too, pretending to correct me, I just find it difficult to engage with such characters.

Wow.

I've been watching Becoming on Netflix and reached the part where Michelle Obama is reflecting on the incredibly negative press she received when her husband was campaigning for President.
She explained that at first she was just being natural and sharing her story. The response from the press was horrific. She said she stopped being spontaneous, read from teleprompters and so on.

But it was the effect on her personally that was so profound. She said it changes the shape of a person's soul, to be on the receiving end of such vicious criticism.

I found it very moving.

Thats so sad

Wow, what? I don't understand?

I think it is totally awful the term 'paki' is used. My DD has been dating a lovely lovely guy with Pakistani origins for 7 years now, what do you want with your 'wow'?
I hate the term. It is wrong.

@ Roussette
Some people will pick a fight in an empty room.
Thats why they are bringing up something that happened years ago.
Of ourse no one thinks useing racist slurs is ok.
But its boring keep on going over the same thing.

I watched Becoming and really felt for Michelle.

Harry has been an idiot in the past and really had the very best education so little in the way of excuses. I am sure he regrets it now but it is sad that someone with such an education expressed such views.

But does no one think it weird that some one asked if my husband's name began with a certain letter????

Yep. Weird

I have reported the post Roussette . So ignore.they just want a row so thread gets deleted.
pA,s break talk guidelines

But does no one think it weird that some one asked if my husband's name began with a certain letter????

That was weird !

@Roussette you quite clearly u-turned from sounding reasonable earlier to consistently excusing racist epithets as “banter” and “dark humour”. You are the one who is pushing it.

If you aren’t aware that “some of my best friends/child’s best friends are brown” is a risible trope, you must live in a cave,

thanks rousette - I was a bit umm wtaf!

Everyone knows my husband is Rupert anyway

Really do recommend Becoming - it is fascinating how she was treated at school by her college guidance counsellor. I thought indicative of misogyny not just racism.

You are really pushing it here.

You’re not for real. Or you’re a octogenarian Shropshire hermit. Or just plain racist. Place your bets

Just bloody rude. I don't know how you can justify it TBH but I don't care. You are summed up by your posts. The end.