A positive thread on Harry and Meghan (aka Thread 5)

[Mummy195]

A continuation for those who would like to look at the positive side of Harry and Meghan.

[Cerseirys]

Speaking of ordinary people, this is from a woman who attempted to take the Mail to court after they published an inaccurate article about her.

[Roussette]

The DMail is toilet paper.

This is an interesting article, and I agree with what it says, I think Harry has always wanted out. Those who dislike Meghan would disagree but I think it was always going to happen and she can't be blamed. He would've made a move somehow or other.

www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a32459968/meghan-marke-prince-harry-americanized-julie-montagu-quote/

[Samcro]

i imagine as harry grew up he probably realised how dysfunctional his family was.
imagine it, your dad marries his mistress, the OW in your parents marriage. your Uncle.....well less said about that.
a relation makes a racist move (Princess Michael= Broach)
your brother tells you pretty much not to marry the woman you love.
these are just some of the things that spring to mind.
on mn he would be told to go NC.

[Winterlife]

It is odd the way some mistruths (Meghan had an area cleared at Wimbledon

You'd think those stories had been debunked enough times by now

That story has never been debunked. It may be true, it may not be. No one has ever confirmed or denied it.

@Mummy195 In the US the fines are incredibly heavy for such acts.

No, they're not "incredibly heavy", and there is no one "US" law. You are thinking of the California law, which provides for civil fines of between $5,000 and $50,000, and, if the subject celebrity sues, a fine of up to "three times the amount of any general and special damages that are proximately caused by the violation." Proving the damages would be up to the plaintiff. They could be high, they may not be. Most celebrities would not go through litigation for the type of photo published in this case. I could see this being an issue were the photos more intimate. Nevertheless, I do think that photographers stalking celebrities in their homes via drones is abhorrent and should be punished.

The reality is, most paparazzi photos in Los Angeles are staged, and have been for over a decade.

[Roussette]

That story has never been debunked. It may be true, it may not be. No one has ever confirmed or denied it

In that case, I tend to look on the positive side and always think the best of a person, and in the case of MM would think it's made up, given the negative press she gets. It depends if you have a downer on someone.. if you have you would jump on it and believe it. If you haven't, you would imagine it is untrue.

[ArriettyJones]

In that case, I tend to look on the positive side and always think the best of a person, and in the case of MM would think it's made up, given the negative press she gets. It depends if you have a downer on someone.. if you have you would jump on it and believe it. If you haven't, you would imagine it is untrue.

So essentially you choose to be Pollyannaish, aren’t concerned with facts, and are coming at this emotionally rather than analytically?

[FromEden]

a relation makes a racist move (Princess Michael= Broach)

Yes, that was despicable. I felt sorry for Megan when I read about that.

But also, you can add to the list of royal family faux pas - dressing as a nazi, using a racist term to describe a colleague or was it colleagues? I can think of at least 2 occasions. Harry has also had his share of incidents and is hardly squeaky clean. Why are people trying to pretend otherwise?

[Winterlife]

In that case, I tend to look on the positive side and always think the best of a person, and in the case of MM would think it's made up, given the negative press she gets. It depends if you have a downer on someone.. if you have you would jump on it and believe it. If you haven't, you would imagine it is untrue.

That is your perception, based on your life experiences, and is an overly broad assertion. It's not a default to truth.

[ArriettyJones]

It has to be said that PssMoK is a despicable article in nearly everything she does. Flagrantly racist. Multiple incidents. Restaurant in NYC and that brooch being particular lows. She hasn’t even moved with times one iota. It’s clearly genuine, deep seated bigotry. I doubt the rest of the BRF enjoy being associated with her.

Second in the Royal racism league is probably Aitch himself, but MM chose to marry him, so go figure.

[Cerseirys]

It depends if you have a downer on someone.. if you have you would jump on it and believe it. If you haven't, you would imagine it is

Certainly from what I've seen on Mumsnet most negative stories about Meghan get believed but stories like Prince William and Rose Hanbury can't possibly be true because he'd never cheat on the sainted Kate.

[Winterlife]

a relation makes a racist move (Princess Michael= Broach)

A relative through marriage, who, I understand is not close to HMQ or Charles. Nevertheless, if you want to go down that road, then why not hold MM responsible for the statements of her half sister, half brother, her drug growing nephew, or her father?

[Cerseirys]

I don't think PMoK featured heavily in their decisions.

[Winterlife]

Certainly from what I've seen on Mumsnet most negative stories about Meghan get believed but stories like Prince William and Rose Hanbury can't possibly be true because he'd never cheat on the sainted Kate.

There were a lot of posters who believed that story. I found it unusual that the source for the rumour was an American publication, one that is not published in the UK.

Who claims Kate Middleton is a saint? I am old enough to remember her being photographed out on the town with friends, drinking and smoking. Or being photographed coming out of cabs with very short skirts, leaving little to the imagination.

[SetPhasersTaeMalkie]

I choose to believe that many of the stories about Meghan are made up or twisted to suit an agenda by the papers. Also it appears that the public has a huge appetite for negative stories. Seems a pity and has had consequences, not just in this generation of royals, in some cases serious consequences. I don't think it will ever change but choose not to join in.

[Cerseirys]

Who claims Kate Middleton is a saint?

It's a turn of phrase 🙄

[SetPhasersTaeMalkie]

Are posters bored or just coming on here for an argument? It's like a Month Python sketch - instead of the room for arguments it seems this is the thread for arguments.

Isn't AIBU devoted to this sort of discourse?

[Winterlife]

I choose to believe that many of the stories about Meghan are made up or twisted to suit an agenda by the papers.

I believe because of defamation laws in the UK, even for celebrities, there is a danger in printing a fabricated story. But yes, they could be twisted. That is not so in the US, because of their constitutionally enshrined press freedoms, although tabloids there have been sued successfully.

[SetPhasersTaeMalkie]

It's a turn of phrase

Tut tut. Don't you know that finding fault with Meghan is a very serious, and seemingly never ending task!😂

[Roussette]

So essentially you choose to be Pollyannaish, aren’t concerned with facts, and are coming at this emotionally rather than analytically?

What? I am talking about the Wimbledon story. Which Winter said may be true or may not be. What basis do I have to be analytical about that story? I said I would tend to go with the 'not true' view, given the negative stuff continually written about her.

I don't come on your endless disliker threads and call you anything, so please do not come on here and say I am Pollyannaish.

That is your perception, based on your life experiences, and is an overly broad assertion. It's not a default to truth

Did I say it was 'truth'? No. I said I tend to believe the more positive side. Stop twisting my words

Second in the Royal racism league is probably Aitch himself, but MM chose to marry him, so go figure

Because of a stupid mistake he made when he was younger? Go figure yourself for such a ridiculous assertion.

I do wonder why you are all on this thread, are you hoping we will just say... 'oh gosh, you have enlightened me, I think Harry & Meghan are totally awful, thank you for your insight'
I presume it's just sport for you to come here and give us a poke every now and again.
There's nothing like spreading hate maybe. Dunno. Whatever the motives, it's odd.

[Samcro]

this is a positive thread. so maybe thats why people are being positive about them!!

[Roussette]

I am old enough to remember her being photographed out on the town with friends, drinking and smoking. Or being photographed coming out of cabs with very short skirts, leaving little to the imagination

Goodness! How terrible!

[Cerseirys]

@SetPhasersTaeMalkie There was an article in the Mail last year that was presented as an exposé about how a baby blanket Meghan had used for Archie was manufactured in a sweat shop in India. The headline claimed the workers were paid a pittance and had to work long hours etc and it was shared on a thread here with much glee.

But if you actually read the article you'd see that the blanket was actually from an ethical brand. The factory was clean, the workers were there from 9-5 and they were paid above the living wage for India. But the Mail know most people won't read beyond the headline.

[Winterlife]

Did I say it was 'truth'? No. I said I tend to believe the more positive side. Stop twisting my words

You also claimed that anyone who chose to believe such stories has "a downer on someone.. if you have you would jump on it and believe it. If you haven't, you would imagine it is untrue." So no, I wasn't twisting your words.

[Winterlife]

Goodness! How terrible!

Not the behaviour of a "saint".

[Roussette]

Tut tut. Don't you know that finding fault with Meghan is a very serious, and seemingly never ending task

Hahaha that made me laugh out loud Ironic, but true!