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Meghan and Harry Debacle part 2

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RosesandIris · 10/05/2020 10:23

New thread

Has anyone seen that Lady Colin Campbell has written a book on Harry and Meghan using insider information. Apparently she’s has members of the Markle family to stay. She’s brave!

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Mamamia456 · 17/05/2020 15:14

Wolfgirrl - If Andrew had been King then his life would have been completely different and gone down another path altogether.

SunbathingDragon · 17/05/2020 15:19

Just catching up.

I think that was a deliberate move on their part not to dress Archie in "something cute" as that would have deflected from the point of the video which was reading a story. People would have been commenting on his outfit and where it was from.

That backfired then as Archie’s soggy nappy has been one of the main focal points.

I imagine it was presented very much as a moral choice too "my child is no ones advertising tool!" or something like that when really had Kate not got form for doing it M would be all over it.

I think they would have dressed him in the cutest possible outfit imaginable if they were paid to do so. Perhaps the lack of an income for promoting any company‘s clothing was behind his outfit.

Meghan announced hers to the public on the 15 October, three days after Eugenies wedding which based on Archies birthday would have made her around 8 weeks.

It was also a very insensitive “all about her” day to choose as its International Baby Loss Awareness Day. They didn’t have to choose that day to announce at all and their PR should have known much better which means either they overrode advice, again, or they hired someone incompetent. It’s one thing to confirm reports when you have no choice other than to do so but there weren’t really rumours that needed addressing other than Meghan wearing a maternity coat that she deliberately choose and no matter how bloated you are at eight weeks, when you have access to exceptionally talented seamstresses you can hide a pregnancy. As we know, less than a week later, Meghan was photographed in a skin tight dress showing no bump. There was no need for her to announce or wear maternity clothes.

As a side note, there have been unnecessary times that she has worn maternity clothes since having Archie which presumably was to gain media attention.

Make no doubt that Meghan knows how the media works and whilst she is her own worse enemy when it comes to PR, she isn’t stupid enough to think she can wear maternity clothes and it not be commented upon.

Eugenie comes across as a really genuine, lovely person. The wedding was joyful and moving.

She really does. I’m in the camp that she didn’t care about Meghan announcing. After all, Eugenie is a princess in her own right and a legitimate member of the RF. Despite parents who have shown dubious behaviour and poor judgement (at the very least!), the RF is very protective of her and will close ranks around her. Meghan will always be on the outside and Princess Eugenie won’t. It reminds me of when Kate and Zara got engaged and Kate showed off her ring with a beautiful manicure whereas Zara had mud in her nails. It shows the confidence and security of those born into the RF compared to those marrying into it.

The royals seem to be teflon. There doesn't seem to be any amount of dirt that can impact on them significantly. And I expect there are things from Meghan's past she wouldn't want made public.

I agree. Some of the things Philip, Charles, Camilla, Diana, Andrew and Fergie have said or done to say the very least. It’s a bit of a scandal but the RF rides it out and remains popular, possibly because of the Queen and the respect people have for her. There are rumours of things the RF have covered up for Meghan and whether true or not, they might continue to protect Harry and Archie but I don’t think they will Meghan if it comes down to it.

The Queen can take away Meghan’s titles. I think that’s the bargaining tool - behave or else you will be exiled from the family without any title or benefit. I think Charles listens a great deal with William and his views on how things should be. Ultimately, if Harry continues to need financial support, he will be reliant upon his brother and I suspect William is influenced by Kate who I think is much tougher and steely than she looks; she has to be to have not only coped but flourished in the RF.

AmeliaE · 17/05/2020 15:29

It takes a brass neck to look for a mansion in Malibu and not paying back your previous residence in full when the country needs it most. I'm deeply disappointed with that.

It only takes a little bit of empathy to fully unbutton your coat or get a new one (when you are rich, obvs) and leave all the headlines to the happy couple.
Most of us manage to hid our pregnancies from our employers and colleagues until the 3-month scan and even beyond.

Mamamia456 · 17/05/2020 15:36

Sunbathing - "That backfired then as Archie's soggy nappy has been one of the main focal points"

Has it, not to my knowledge, only by certain people on these negative threads who seem to get some kind of weird enjoyment out of constantly finding fault with MM.

Institutkarite · 17/05/2020 15:43

@CathyorClaire
I think Wills might be a different matter. He's reportedly more Spencer than Windsor
Diana said that William may look more like her but he's a Windsor through and through.
The Windsor ethos is to protect the monarchy above all else. Harry will know this too.

derxa · 17/05/2020 15:54

I honestly don't think they need to pay back for renovations for Frogmore cottage. It's not their house and they have no intention of living there. Just rent it out to someone else. They won't be paying anyway.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 17/05/2020 16:31

(Meghan's) now been empowered to be the main, and possibly sole breadwinner of the family

Not quite ... if it's true that Charles is still bankrolling them I suppose Harry could spin that as "his" contribution?

It depends. Charles may have his own thoughts on that. It's one thing to assist them financially in recognition of their carrying out public duties and supporting the Queen. It's quite another to be expected to dig deep because they have acquired a taste for the billionaire lifestyle.

yoloPenguinsEatfish · 17/05/2020 16:58

fleas absolutely. If they had stayed within the fold they would have had as much freedom (within the RF constraints) as they wanted.

But they didnt want that, they wanted to carve their own furrow, which is fine if they pay, not if everyone else (ie, ultimately we) pay.

CathyorClaire · 17/05/2020 17:20

Diana said that William may look more like her but he's a Windsor through and through.
The Windsor ethos is to protect the monarchy above all else. Harry will know this too.

Not much hope for JustH either way then Grin

Zug2 · 17/05/2020 17:28

You can also get an E5 Immigrant investor visa, needs an investment of 1 million USD, and a commitment to provide employment for US citizens within 2 years. Maybe their foundation would qualifiy him for one of those visas.

SunbathingDragon · 17/05/2020 17:59

@Mamamia456 you only need to Google or look on YouTube or Twitter... Meghan has chosen to be in spotlight and as a mother I don’t agree with putting your child in a situation where they will be ridiculed by the public. I can only think that there were several takes of the story and hopefully Archie started off with a clean nappy, then perhaps Meghan was more focused on how she looked and didn’t realise people would be distracted by Archie’s nappy that by then could do with being changed.

Mamamia456 · 17/05/2020 18:50

Sunbathing - What kind of person would want to ridicule a one year old, that speaks volumes in itself.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/05/2020 19:07

I hope this wakes the public up as to why a hereditary monarchy is ridiculous

You'd hope so wouldn't you, but realistically I don't see it happening while the Queen's alive. Charles as monarch may well put a dent in things, but even he won't last that long and unless something goes badly wrong they've got a "normal" sort of couple in W&K for future security

It almost appears that some folk support the monarchy just for fear of getting something worse ... seems a bit lacking in courage to me, but there you go

SunbathingDragon · 17/05/2020 19:10

Quite Mamamia but also what parent would want to go out of their way to let their child be ridiculed. You’ve clearly been very lucky to have avoided a school where children do ridicule each other and a quick Google and social media is often their ammunition. Nobody should ever make things easy for bullies.

Mamamia456 · 17/05/2020 19:46

Sunbathing - How is MM going out of her way to let Archie be bullied? You are being ridiculous, stop trying to lay the blame on her for other people's shallow, peurile behaviour towards a baby.

Lockupyourbiscuits · 17/05/2020 19:54

It was a personal video shared with the public - it just seems odd to hide him and protect him from the public then do a 180 u turn
I’m sure a nice story from Meghan would have done the trick for the charity
I’m not saying it was wrong just strange given the fierce wish for privacy - then invading it themselves

CraftyGin · 17/05/2020 20:55

There may be some dodginess going on because you cannot enter the US on a private jet on a visa waiver - perhaps he has a B1 visa, although ISTR that private jets are only for those with resident visas.

He will shortly need to leave the USA and return in order to restart the 3-month clock. Will the USA/Canada borders be open in time?

ButteryPuffin · 17/05/2020 21:03

I do wonder about the visa. Though are normal rules suspended at the moment because international travel is so severely limited?

CallmeAngelina · 17/05/2020 21:25

I don't think William looks like a Spencer at ALL! He's looking more and more Windsor-jaw as he ages - in fact, there are striking similarities between him and Lord Frederick Windsor.

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RosesandIris · 17/05/2020 21:27

My goodness he really does look like Freddie!

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CallmeAngelina · 17/05/2020 21:30

Whereas this is one of Harry and one of his Spencer cousins (albeit a few years ago).

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CallmeAngelina · 17/05/2020 21:33

In fact, I remember a piece of film footage after Diana's funeral in 1997. The Spencer family all took the train back to wherever, and there was a shot of them all walking down the station steps (at Althorp???). The commentator referred to Harry (in error, as of course he would have been with the Royal Family), as one of the boys walking was the dead spit of him, but it was actually a cousin.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 17/05/2020 21:55

Resemblances in families fascinate me, especially when they skip a generation or go "sideways". I look very like my great aunt. My cousin has a daughter who is the image of my mother, so her great aunt.

TimeLady · 17/05/2020 21:56

He will shortly need to leave the USA and return in order to restart the 3-month clock.

I'm try (and failing) to remember why this is.

Winterlife · 17/05/2020 22:12

The rumour is that Harry entered the UK on a diplomatic visa. I don't know if that is true, though. He could also start the process of obtaining a green card once he landed in the US.