Meghan and Harry Debacle part 2

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Has anyone seen that Lady Colin Campbell has written a book on Harry and Meghan using insider information. Apparently she’s has members of the Markle family to stay. She’s brave!

mamaia - I agree. If they step up and show themselves to be sensible and reasonable, sensitive to others' feelings and generally decent, then what's not to like?

I don't think they are paying for their own security.

If they step up and show themselves to be sensible and reasonable, sensitive to others' feelings and generally decent, then what's not to like?

Well, quite a lot actually, but that would be down to individual likes and dislikes which shouldn't really matter to them. The trouble is, they do. They seem preoccupied with being popular and scoring "likes", than just concentrating on doing the job in, for want of a better word, a "professional" manner.

Early in December 2017 Meghan was confirmed as the most Googled actress of 2016.

Which just confirms that before she got together with Harry she was unheard of. She wasn’t a well known actress at all, even though I know she likes to make out otherwise.

Viviennemary - Trump made it clear that America would not be paying for their security so it is being privately funded.

Mamamia the question here is the definition of private - is it being funded by Charles? Or it could still be being paid by the UK tax payers

The thing is I don't think anyone would have blamed them for leaving and going to the states. If they had said, 'we want to be independent of the royal family and the protocol involved. Meghan wants to act and be in the USA, Harry wants to follow and keep his family together and continue with charitable works and we want to give Archie a more normal upbringing' everyone would have been saying ok fine. They might have even been able to do less royal duties because of their location but kept their royal status. Instead they said it is all your fault that we're leaving, the RF, the press, the pressure we want privacy, which also would have been fine if they really had wanted privacy.
Instead it is everyone's fault but their own. In reality I don't think they know what they want (testament to all their moving), so even a press release that said 'we don't know what we want but we're going to try a few things and see what works' would have been more honest!
So now their greatest criticism that they cannot deny is hypocrisy.

Hamsterian - If the Tax Payers were footing the bill it would not be classed as privately funded. Yes, Prince Charles could be paying for it but it would come out of his private income. The Queen would know how the british public are opposed to paying for it as they are no longer working royals so it is highly unlikely it would be coming from public funds.

Depends what privately funded means. I know Trump isn't paying. But I bet they are not paying out of their own pockets. I couldn't find anything to say the British tax payer isn't picking up the bill. Maybe the bank of Charles.

I have read that they are paying for it themselves with help from Charles. They've got more than enough money to pay for it. If the British taxpayers were still paying it would be all over the front pages by now, especially the Daily Mail.

@mooching I agree. If they'd said they wanted to live as financially independent private citizens, lots of people would have been happy for them. I think the bitter comments about being still able to use their titles made them look like spoilt brats.

Mamamia
Isn’t that a round about way of saying Charles is paying?

Spoilt brats indeed. I thought amongst quite a few little silly breaks with protocol which individually aren't a big deal but collectively grate, the most unpleasant thing they did was present the RF with a public fait accompli dictating what would happen next and what the Queen would do for them.
I just thought that was really disloyal and so cheeky.

If Charles is paying for it that means we still are, basically

HAM categorically cannot afford UK royal protection officers. Outside of lockdown the bill is £20mil annually. A good chunk of that is constant flights, as each RPO is on two weeks on, two weeks off rota.

They can afford US mercenaries, that’s about £2-3mil in comparison.

I'm in a bad mood today. Why can't they count their blessings? They're healthy and rich. They have a lovely one year old child. Plenty of space and none of the mundane shite we have to deal with.

Does anyone know if they are still having Royal Protection Officers ?
I think for the rest of the family it’s better they set up permanent home abroad - the press seem to enjoy making everything a competition so that won’t make anyone happy .
Better they don’t come home for everyone and in order to make that happen lets hope LA is a success .
It’s a shame about the book - doesn’t reflect well - public opinion would have softened -you can’t force people to feel sorry for you . I’m not sure they have any insight into the part they might have played in all this - self reflection is a valuable skill.

I know that Harry talked about being an internationally protected person so I assume will have royal protection officers, I actually think that is the right thing to do as he is still 6th in line to the throne and wouldn't need security if he wasn't ex royal.

I think it's likely he will have royal protection officers as they are among the best in the world. With him having served in Afghanistan as well as being in line to the throne, that would make him a target for extremists.

K and W have very clever PR people who have transformed their image from being seen as workshy not too long ago to being saints. A few well timed pics of the kids, a trip to Waterstones to buy kids books, the odd video call (which incidentally Meghan gets trashed for) and making a garden. Kate knows to keep her mouth shut, how often have we heard her voice over the years?

Of course Meghan has it worse than Fergie since back then the internet didn't exist. How many thousands of posts have there been on Mumsnet alone before you take into account the rest of the internet.

Ginger they tried it on with the IPP crap but it didn’t wash so they deleted it from their Declaration of Independence.

IPP means that wherever you go for work, the host country provides official protection for free. HAM and the rest of the royal family are only IPP when on tours, and they still bring RPOs along ofc.
It’s a diplomacy thing, imagine a royal being assassinated on foreign soil. Literally WWI started with that as a reason (or pretext).

K and W have very clever PR people who have transformed their image

I suppose my question is: why don't H & M do this? Perhaps they think they have, but at this point I would have to say that Sunshine Sachs have not, for whatever reason, achieved this kind of transformation for them. Arguably quite the reverse.

A long time ago a PR veteran (was it yolo?) wrote a great post about how big international PR agencies always involve a local PR agency to get the culture and nuances right.
Either SS or HAM were too arrogant or stupid to not follow best practice.

@Mamamia456 The press should not be allowed to print some of the articles they do

That is a very slippery slope. What's next? They shouldn't print articles critical of government policy? Or police abuses?

The press should be entitled to print anything that is true. If what they print breaches privacy laws, or is a lie, there should be monetary consequences, large enough that it isn't worth their while to print those stories.

Ooooh, another book about to be launched:

'Royals at War' - which is written by best-selling author Dylan Howard and entertainment journalist Andy Tillett - will ask why and how Meghan Markle riled up the British monarchy after marrying Prince Harry.

www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/royals-at-war-to-explore-prince-harry-s-decision-to-step-down-as-senior-royal/ar-BB148Ncw?ocid=msedgntp

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