Harry and Meghan and the intricacies of the Monarchy

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Here's a follow on to the last thread, which was really enjoyable.

I want a penguin 🐧

You said the papers printed news of the affair

They were being coy but you can’t possibly be so naive to think they’d print something so boring without having caught the scent of something bigger? They knew then and it is interesting reading, some very deliberate language in there

Giles wasn’t the first to spell it out as gossip blogs like Celebitchy were all over the story and came right out with it (they have no relationship with the RF so why would they care?) but if it was so innocuous why would PW threaten to sue the UK tabloids?

This is all before the Giles tweet. Nicole Cliffe just twisted things to say that the rift between the brothers was based on the affair and not on Meghan (which I find hard to believe) and she might have been fed those tidbits from Meghans PR team hard to say really but her tweets are not to be taken seriously.

This is the first report on the alleged affair on Celebitchy.

www.celebitchy.com/615103/british_food_critic_claimed_there_is_an_affair_between_prince_william_rose_hanbury/

@ButteryPuffin I didn't even think of that yet it's such a great point. So often women are expected to be the peacemakers in families and when they don't conform, they get the blame.

I’ll note, celebitchy reported in a rift earlier, but no affair was mentioned.

www.celebitchy.com/614695/duchess_kate_is_trying_to_phase_out_her_rural_rival_a_local_marchioness/

I don’t think The Sun report suggests an affair.

Spot on Buttery. The rift is between the brothers, it's up to them to sort it out.

Thinking about it, it must be miserable to be seen by everyone as the lesser of the two brothers. Occupational hazard of being the only sibling of a future king. Harry describing himself in his speech as "Diana's second son" looked like an attempt to claim some of the attention his brother gets.

Having three children was a wise move for the Cambridges. Less likelihood of direct comparison between them as they grow up.

They were being coy but you can’t possibly be so naive to think they’d print something so boring without having caught the scent of something bigger? They knew then and it is interesting reading, some very deliberate language in there

You wrongly said they reported the affair. They didn't. It's not about what they knew or hinted at, it's what they actually wrote.

but if it was so innocuous why would PW threaten to sue the UK tabloids?

There's an easy and obvious answer to this. False rumours that are reported are likely to be regarded as true and would be harmful to the public trust in and perception of someone . Which is exactly why defamation law exists.

Going through a defamation law case in this country is expensive and time-consuming even if you're the one bringing it (my husband is a defamation barrister). Better to do a letter before action as I believe Prince William did here. If the papers had concrete proof of an affair they'd have come out and said so. In this instance I believe Prince William didn't even have to take out an injunction.

but if it was so innocuous why would PW threaten to sue the UK tabloids?

He threatened to sue because it obviously wasn’t true.

I’ve always felt very badly for Rose Hanbury & her children. It can’t have been easy to be the subject of such speculation.

I’ve always felt very badly for Rose Hanbury & her children. It can’t have been easy to be the subject of such speculation

It’s a horrible thing to have said about you and Prince William obviously felt the same way and decided to fight back.

How anyone can think it was something to ignore being said is beyond me.

Seen the article in The Atlantic? www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/princess-problem/608032/

I wonder if something trivial may have happened between W & R that didn't look good, and W was warned to behave.

I don't think it has any bearing whatsoever on the situation between W & H, but speculation that it does won't be helping. K must be utterly brasses off with the whole thing.

iPad apparently doesn't recognise "brassed"

That article is very interesting. I think if I were 12 and in Harry’s situation - and William’s, let’s not forget he suffered exactly the same trauma, being made to go and look at flowers - and presumably have to pretend to be grateful - with people, total strangers, howling and screaming their grief would be the worst experience of the whole thing.

Honestly, I think Meghan clearly just wanted to go home. Weirdly, she didn’t go home but she will end up in LA or Toronto. Vancouver Island is a good way to demonstrate you want privacy and a wholesome outdoorsy life but they could have done that in Herefordshire, or Gloucestershire.

The thing is, what happens when Harry wants to go home?

Yes, that's what I think too imaginary fleas.

what happens when Harry wants to go home?

Harry has been brainwashed into thinking he doesn't want this, or he has brainwashed himself. He seems his family as a problem now and with it, his country and particularly the Press. He has to demonise his family and his former life in order to convince himself he's done the right thing.

Yes, I agree with you last sentence especially Roses.

Has Harry flown off to Canada, or is he still in the UK? Presumably if so he can still get out, but he'd better get a move on.

That's a good point - would exceptions be made for Harry flying in to Vancouver Island.

I think exceptions are always made for Harry, he is a very important person after all.

It's that thing where you make a decision, everyone else disagrees, more or less politely, and you cling to it because it's embarassing to admit you were wrong. I think H is very stubborn in most areas of his life - he's pretty much pleased himself along the way, and had that facilitated for him. And now he has M who has, it seems, got what she wanted - an escape from royal life and the chance (in her eyes) to carve out a brilliant new future.

He was stairway - but he resigned from that!

Harry flew back to Canada last Thursday. He was spotted on a commercial flight.

I wonder what the future holds for the two of them in this climate. And for the other royals actually. They aren’t going to be visible I assume so will we forget about them all?

The 'real royals' will just carry on, but H&M will hardly be addressing jam-packed international conferences anytime soon!