Harry & Meghan what they’ll do next - Thread 2

[DandyAF]

Carrying on the conversation as the last thread finished mid-discussion.

I don’t think anyone posting here is a massive anti-h&m person to be honest. I think we are all just deeply disappointed in the current narrative.

That is it, exactly. It is so disappointing that they have such a flagrant disregard for so many decent things. Hateful.

You have a “Scottish feel”, Dandy. (That’s a wee compliment, by the way.) And yes to others who have mentioned the famed Scottish intolerance of bullshit. Plenty of it on this site.

Anyone know what M and H are planning to do to earn the millions ? There are only so many times that Harry can talk about his Mum’s death and be paid for it ( and I can’t be the only one uncomfortable about him making money talking so often about his Mum) . Meghan is smart but she’s not exactly Michelle Obama is she ?
Unfortunately I do not see this particular venture ending happily .
By the way is there any truth in the rumour ( clearly I have too much time on my retired hands!) that the reason there was so much secrecy around Archie’s birth was because they were hoping to sell the first photos but HM put her foot down .

@ drina27 👍

Interesting Oldbut.....I wonder if they have the copyright of that fabulous picture of newborn Archie with HM, PP, M & H and Doria. In my mind that was an historic shot, and will (should) be used for years. Although the skeptical part of me wondered why a new Mum would have a photo not with the closest members of her DH's family, but the most influential. Although the white dress was sooooo brave!

Aw @drina27 that’s the best compliment

MM will no doubt soon have a couple of golden opportunities to snag an A list film role; I hope for their sake she chooses well because I don’t think her DH has what it takes to earn enough to keep them both in the manner to which they are accustomed.

(Yep, I reckon Scots have inbuilt BS detectors too)

The photo of newborn Archie with PP, HMQ, Doria, M & H is copyright of SussexRoyal.

I can imagine Meghan sitting with the court circular in LA working out when to release pictures. I actually have a very low opinion of both Harry and Meghan now and just want this finalised.

I posted on one of the early threads in January when H&M first made their big announcement, and have lurked and changed name since.

My thoughts now (apologies for the essay!):

1. On whether criticism of Meghan is racist, or has racist undertones. There are clearly a minority of racists out there, and a larger number of people who perhaps view things unconsciously through a racist lens. However, I am certain that by far the majority of British people, all those millions who wished them well for their wedding, are not judging H&M for reasons grounded in race, but rather as a result of their words and actions.

Not to derail with politics, but I think an interesting counterpoint to the “the UK is full of nasty racists” argument is to look at the Priti Patel situation. She is, rightly or wrongly, criticised by many for her political views, ability as a politician and behaviour. Very few people, PP included, have said this is due to racism, including those who normally denounce every criticism of a non-white woman as racist. The fact that PP is right wing, and Meghan is left liberal in her publicly expressed views (woke, if you like) is, I think, as lot to do with who it is deemed acceptable to criticise (PP) and who it is not (MM).

1. Meghan is a totally unsuitable royal wife, and Harry is entirely to blame for making a poor choice. Yes, that is ridiculous and anachronistic, but the monarchy is ridiculous and anachronistic. If you are seeking to remain royal you have to live by certain constraints that mere mortals don’t, namely choosing your spouse with wider thoughts than your personal preference (to be fair to Harry, he is far from he only member of his family to have made a poor choice but you think he might have learned from past mistakes, as William clearly did)

Meghan is not unsuitable due to her race - if anything, her mixed heritage was widely viewed as a positive step for the monarchy, nor even because she is an American divorcee. Rather, her personality, experiences and ambitions clearly do not fit and were never going to fit a hierarchical and traditions-based world, which though very luxurious and privileged, also involves being apolitical, accepting your place in the pecking order, and to a certain extent subsuming your personal preferences in order to do your duty (for example, I’m not sure how many fusty church services with various be-medalled dignitaries Kate & co really want to sit through, but it’s part of the gig and they know it). And this unsuitability wasn’t impossible to know – her lifelong ambition to fame and fortune in the shallow entertainment industry, her track record of broken personal relationships, her lack of any familiarity with the UK or the concept of public service were all clear to see. And I am not buying any ‘it was love at first sight’ nonsense, Harry should have know from the first date that though gorgeous, and no doubt charming, Meghan was not the right fit for his world.

I have occasionally thought that had Megan been a gorgeous, mixed race American but from say a military family, maybe even having carried out military service herself, who Harry met in e.g. his Invictus capacity, that would have been an excellent starting point for induction into the British Royal family.

1. Harry. I think like many others, I previously regarded him as a rather dim, lost man who had got himself stuck between a rock and a hard place. However, I am more and more convinced that Harry is as much a driving force as Meghan behind this desire to leave the UK and the more constraining aspects of royal life, while still retaining all the perks. I cannot fathom why really (deep-seated resentment at always being No2? Deluded self indulgence which the Palace PR machine and his own Diana-like personal charm had managed to keep hidden til now?) I think they may well stay together for the long haul though, which I definitely didn’t think before

Yes I’ve low option too now and want it over and done with. I’m quite upset actually that they’ve been allowed this big final stage with these appearance and commonwealth day. It’s just giving them pictures for releasing in future and what on earth did she have to say to a British school?!? This copyrighting is surprising.

@ajandjjmum i think your skeptical side might have a point re the Archie HMQ etc. I don’t recall any photos of the Cambridge children bring introduced the Queen? Just the traditional christening photo when HMQ was in attendance.

Talking of the Court Circular, is it unusual that H&M have not featured in the last few days ( ie prior to the 31 March commencement of their stepping back ) ? Were their engagements listed before ? Not talking of the so called private visits

@3Eternal - agree with all your thought there

With the worldwide copyright fees rolling in, they don't need UK taxpayers to fund the lifestyle they aspire to.

3Eternal

I agree with all you have said, especially:

Meghan is a totally unsuitable royal wife, and Harry is entirely to blame for making a poor choice. Yes, that is ridiculous and anachronistic, but the monarchy is ridiculous and anachronistic.

Of all the ‘accidental’ clashes of MM photos and current royal events this one takes the biscuit!

It makes me angry, as the purported feminist sabotaged the highlighting of a very important women’s issue with an unofficial trip to an exhibition, with own photographer in tow, for copyright profit!

Un-fucking-believable.

I think that things could have panned out so differently if only Harry had married …

Bill Bryson!

Yes, the American writer Bill Bryson, author of Notes from a Small Island.

He would have been able to sell Britain to the British and to the rest of the world with warmth, honesty and genuine affection for our foibles.

As it is, I feel that Harry married someone who ended up not being too keen on the in-laws, by which I mean the other royals and the rest of the nation.

Or so it seems. There are a limited number of information dots, and some of those have been contributed by ‘friends’. Joining the dots accurately is a tricky business. But this is the overall picture which emerges and it has not been refuted, though doing so would have done much to assuage bad feelings.

It must be hard when you launch yourself into your new job as a brand ambassador in the PR department of UK plc, only to discover that you don’t like the product/people and the HR department really stinks. But why not, then, relinquish ties graciously and put it down to mutual incompatibility rather than creating, or allowing to be created on your behalf, global anti-PR?

Looking at the photos of Harry and Meghan upon their return, I’m left with the feeling of having been gaslit.

There was a big office bust-up at UK plc, wasn’t there? I surely didn’t imagine it. They were at the ends of their tether. Blame was apportioned. And the rest of the team felt unfairly accused and hurt.

They left. Then they came back, looking all glowy. Nothing was said about the bust-up at all. People were left to wrestle with their bafflement, wrestle with the feeling of having had their collective sense of national identity trashed but without it ever being acknowledged by the perpetrators. Even if they never meant for people to be left feeling as they do, surely they must have registered, and be capable of responding to those feelings?

Oh Bill.

Okay, so he’s a man and couldn’t carry off a designer frock like Meghan but in every other respect he would have been perfect!

Excellent post @3Eternal

I have occasionally thought that had Megan been a gorgeous, mixed race American but from say a military family, maybe even having carried out military service herself, who Harry met in e.g. his Invictus capacity, that would have been an excellent starting point for induction into the British Royal family.

Agree with this. I have said previously that I think things would have been different had M come from a conservative background politically speaking. However being an aspiring actress requires adopting very woke ideals and yes, it is a very shallow world in Hollywood, as the recent Oscars performance demonstrated; big on optics, lecturing and moralising, not so much on the details of doing.

It would very difficult to progress career wise without adopting a similar mindset.

And I am not buying any ‘it was love at first sight’ nonsense, Harry should have know from the first date that though gorgeous, and no doubt charming, Meghan was not the right fit for his world.

Well the woman is certainly beautiful and Harry is a looker himself with that aura of a man with power, (which speaking personally, I always find attractive even in men I would ordinarily never look at twice so I'm not judging. Putin anyone?) so at the very least it would have been lust at first sight and an instant 2 way attraction. I do think that her (carefully cultivated) record of humanitarianism with the added glamour would have felt familiar to H, maybe bringing echoes of his mother to him. I also think M has echoes of Diana around the eyes, they are large and very expressive.

Also H had been refused? Dumped by? or just been a plonker to? Two other beautiful and intelligent women. By this time, with him being also older, he must have been aware that such opportunities may not come again. Surely this would have made him consider as a spousal candidate what may not have been right for him before, and consider what he may previously have never considered before?

So I tend to believe the 'love' (attraction, expediency, urgency, desire, need) at first sight. (obviously it has deepened since)

I also believe that a longer courtship may have resolved these issues in that either M would have had a more realistic look at things and opted out, or better prep for opting in. And they should have taken the Queen's offer of several years being incognito Royals.

Lol at Duke Bill Bryson

MM couldn’t afford to wait. It’s was always going to be hard to bag the big Hollywood role when you’ve the next generation of starlets snapping at your heels. No sign so far of her having the acting longevity of Mirren, Streep or Dench. This weekend is all building up to be her one big pitch.

OutwiththeOutCrowd

Love it! Bill Bryson excellent. I'm trying in vain to think of a female equivalent.

Fantastic posts @3Eternal & Catherine

Let’s face it, MM doesn’t have the acting chops of the A-listers, or even B-listers. If she somehow manages to trade RF fame for a role, it will be just the one.
That’s why she’s aiming at voicework.

@ 3Eternal excellent post . @ HarryDaylight sorry for being thick but what royalties ?

If she somehow manages to trade RF fame for a role, it will be just the one.

Yep.