Harry & Meghan what they’ll do next - Thread 2

[DandyAF]

Carrying on the conversation as the last thread finished mid-discussion.

*On these threads, it has been fascinating to see the contrast between the treatment of Doria, a woman who has not given a single interview, and has said nothing at all about her daughter, and that of Thomas, whose every word reveals him to be a total narcissistic."

Again, stop with beating us with historical posts.

On THIS thread, there's been NO criticism of Doria and No mentions of Thomas other than your two references. The three references to Doria besides yours are all neutral comments about her being photographed with Alfie or being likely to see him in the future.

I get that there may have been criticism of Doria in past threads. But they're not all one homogeneous mass with the same posters.

It comes down to this, which I ask you in good faith. Are you more interested in criticising posters or in getting them to take your and others' points on board and rectify their thinking and posting? If it's the latter, then this thread is an example of progress when it comes to Doria and Thomas.

Thank you for that reality check, @Tsukukuviri.

How embarrassing the following comment criticising Meghan’s choice of dress as “positively indecent round her bum” looks. I hope that poster made similar criticisms about Pippa Middleton’s bridesmaid dress?

And then DandyAF attempting to school a black woman on when it is (in her view) acceptable to identify racism:

“Please stick to talking about specific posters and posts when making accusations of racism.”

Cringe

So when she said she was a woman of a colour and a sister, many of us women of colour took her words for what they were, and we took her to our hearts for what she represents. She is a sister. Feel free to read up on what sisterhood means to black women.

Fair enough, @Tsukukuviri. If that's your perspective then I happily bow to your greater knowledge and experience. It doesn't ring true to me, but we live to learn from each other.

Dandy. Wind your neck in. You have absolutely no right to tell another poster not to call out racism when she sees it. Jesus.

@DandyAF, stop digging!

To back up what I've said, here's the evidence of the references to Doria on here besides those in yours and then my posts @Tsukukuviri

"The first - amazing - photograph of Archie was with his GGP and Doria, but all you could really see was the blanket."

"Plus they could have easily justified spending decent stretches of time in the US as giving Granny Doria the summer holidays with Archie and so on."

"It’s sad that Archie is over the other side of the Atlantic with a nanny whilst they are here. He is not going to have any family as he grows up, beyond Doria. He’s not going to have experience if his heritage and birthright on his father’s side."

See? No criticism of Doria in a thread of over 570 posts.

I haven't told her not to call out racism. I absolutely think she or anyone should call out racism. But specifically.

She thinks the post by Yolo was racist - I happen to agree with her on that. I doubt it was intentional or malicious and more to do with carelessness in the way it was written by Yolo. Easy to be careless when rushing off a post but when it comes to racism or other -isms we do have to stop and think.

I completely agree that there have been undercurrents (or even visible waves) of racism on some of the posts about Meghan on past threads. But not on this one. So I resent the collective 'you'.

I hope that poster made similar criticisms about Pippa Middleton’s bridesmaid dress?

No I didn't. Because Pippa Middleton's dress was not over-tight and fitted her well. Contrast MM's which appears in those videos to be at bursting point.

I agree with you DandyAF I see a bit of ignorance but no racism. Certaintly no malicious racist intention. I'm black if that helps anyone.

Very sad that I feel I have to announce that frankly.

Dandy that's just as bad. You're now telling her HOW to call out racism.

You don't get to do that.

Especially as you've agreed with her that a post was in fact racist.

Would it be a good idea to just move on from this topic now, while we're all still friends? Different viewpoints have been exchanged, some lessons learned.

Tsukukuviri I sincerely apologise for offending you and other black women.

It was never my intent. I was trying to point out - clearly not very well, and in response to the previous post about champagne socialism - that the chasm between a woman living in a shanty town and a rich actress married into the RF is vast. And that I'm not sure how much use her sisterhood would be to me if I was the woman in the shanty town position.

No more, no less, no racism intended. But again, I apologise.

Thanks for your post @Tsukukuviris. I as a white British woman don't have your perspective on this. I'm glad you've shared it.
I do think we should try not to jump to prickly, 'you're calling us racists! You shouldn't do that' responses to posts on this subject. The post was measured in tone and explained where the poster was coming from. I think many of us are ourselves reacting historically to the way such accusations have been phrased, more abrasively, on previous threads.

No I'm not Encyclo. I realise that I should have made it clearer in my first post that I wasn't objecting to Tsukukuviri calling out Yolo's post at all; I was objecting to the general allegation that we were all - the collective you - likely to be racist based on one post and posts that were made in the past which I and many on here probably haven't even read.

I do think we should try not to jump to prickly, 'you're calling us racists! You shouldn't do that' responses to posts on this subject. The post was measured in tone and explained where the poster was coming from.
Exactly this.

It’s indicative of something that the look she is emulating is the Kim Kardashian look. Humans can and do impute things from appearances, and humans can and do communicate via their appearance

In what way is emulating KK? The hair?

the chasm between a woman living in a shanty town and a rich actress married into the RF is vast. And that I'm not sure how much use her sisterhood would be to me if I was the woman in the shanty town position.

It is a vast difference, yolofish. But the same is true of all the Royals, and by this logic the only good they can ever do their fellow human beings would be to give up all their wealth and privilege and show empathy that way. So we should judge them all by that standard, or accept that there are other ways of showing people a sense of fellow feeling. Diana's hand shaking with AIDS patients wasn't rendered useless because she herself lived a very different life. At least, I don't think so.

Fair point buttery about Diana. She seemed to make real connections with people though, and one of the major criticisms of Meghan is that she always seems to be acting a role. I mean, you would expect her to know how to pose for a camera, which is her best angle etc, but Diana's sincerity about people shone through (even though she had many many faults of course). As we all do.

Are you equally confused about President Obama Pelican?

I don’t call him black either. He’s mixed race.

Is a person was half Mexican and half Irish, would you call them Mexican or Irish?

Mirish? Ixican? My Irish cousin is married to a Colombian, living in the UK. What they are least impressed by is being told to go home after Brexit.

In what way is emulating KK? The hair?

I wouldn't say MM was emulating KK, but there was something of a resemblance in last night's look. Obviously not the clothes but a combination of hair and make up maybe.

It looks as though American MUAs just paint the same generic face on everyone.