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The royal family

Harry & Meghan what they’ll do next - Thread 2

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DandyAF · 01/03/2020 16:18

Carrying on the conversation as the last thread finished mid-discussion.

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FizzyLimes · 06/03/2020 12:51

Camilla has given a speech about domestic abuse and coercive control.
The timing is important

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8082453/Camilla-meets-Gina-Miller-Cressida-Dick-rogue-line-dress.html

LaMarschallin · 06/03/2020 12:55

Gosh! I don't often get deleted.

Sorry, sunshine, I must have really trodden on your toes Sad

Maybe best not to accuse people of "stalking" and having "worrying" behaviour if their repudiation of that upsets you.

Sunshineand · 06/03/2020 13:22

Who got deleted? Nothing to do with me, so maybe think about what you're writing. As for coming back to get a dig in...🙄🤔

LaMarschallin · 06/03/2020 13:29
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Butterymuffin · 06/03/2020 13:40

when MM made her "I stand before you as a woman of colour and as your sister" speech in SA. Where was the sisterhood? Every visit on that tour ended with them going back to luxury accommodation with ample food and comfort. Empty words.

This makes me uneasy, though, because it reminds me of the 'champagne socialist' argument that says people can't do any good, or be sincere in a desire to do good, for those poorer or less fortunate than them if they have any wealth themselves. I think we should be careful about that and judge the Sussexes by what they actually do and work towards - and of course on any discrepancy between what they advise others to do and their own personal conduct.

yolofish · 06/03/2020 13:45

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DandyAF · 06/03/2020 13:48

Did she specifically say she felt their pain though?

I don’t know, I didn’t hear the speech.

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yolofish · 06/03/2020 13:51

You're probly right dandy I dont remember either, but I dont think I'd appreciate her standing by me much either. I think I'd be asking, so how can you help me/us?

7Worfs · 06/03/2020 13:59

That SA trip - there was a confirmed/revealed blind that Meghan organised a pay-to-meet dinner while Harry was doing the mine thing, and allegedly she pocketed 250k.

For those sites to do a reveal, does it mean they have evidence that would be accepted in court if they were sued?

DandyAF · 06/03/2020 14:02

I’ve just looked at the SussexRoyal Instagram post about last night. There’s a compilation video. It’s all about the brave recipients and barely features Harry and Meghan.

JOKES.

A common criticism on the Instagram post is: “why not focus more on the recipients than yourselves in your post?” Quite.

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yolofish · 06/03/2020 14:04

bloody hell dandy... words honestly fail me. "We've got your back" ?
I think not.

7Worfs · 06/03/2020 14:07

Gosh, Dandy you totally got me with the first bit! Grin
I’m the eternal optimist, but HAM fail me yet again.

drina27 · 06/03/2020 14:07

For a second there, I thought you were serious @DandyAF. This is such a sad state of affairs.

drina27 · 06/03/2020 14:08

They are an embarrassment.

7Worfs · 06/03/2020 14:09

Syke, drina also fell for it Grin

EthelMayFergus · 06/03/2020 14:10

Bloody hell Dandy, I just read that and thought 'Aww, see, they are listening to advise that they come across as infuriatingly self absorbed...' then I saw that you were joking. Disappointing.

Is it me or in the picture where MM is between PH and Ross Kemp does it look like PH is having both of his hands held?

drina27 · 06/03/2020 14:20

Yep. That was hands and lower arm clutching! Cringeworthy stuff.

DandyAF · 06/03/2020 14:21
Grin

You really would think that they’d listen to and act on feedback wouldn’t you? I mean, they’ve only got a few more weeks and a handful more official engagements to go.

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Tsukukuviri · 06/03/2020 14:29

I left Mumsnet just after H and M got married because, even then, I was extremely uneasy about the racist tone of the commentary about her. I told MNHQ about this and I remember being told to just ignore posts.

I have rejoined to say a couple of things.

I am a black woman from South Africa, and find it really strange that Mumsnetters like @yolofish can speak with such confidence about the lives of black women in a country they know little about, and do it too, by dragging up stereotypes about crime in that country.

Who says that the biggest worry of black South African women is their babies getting raped to cure AIDS? Is this really what you believe about a whole entire country? This is the danger of the single story, you hear just one thing about a country and think that’s all there is to it.

South Africa has many women who are professionals in a range of areas, who are students, who live both in and outside “shanty towns”. We are not all poor women clutching babies to our chests in case they get raped.

Meghan was well received in SA because as a successful and hardworking black woman who came from a humble background and difficult family environment, she is extremely inspiring not only to black women in South Africa, but to the rest of the African continent, the Caribbean and beyond.

I get that Britain’s weird dysfunctional class issues mean that hard work and aspiration are not admired, in fact, ambitious people are routinely mocked for getting above themselves, and you have a tall poppy syndrome where people are not supposed to “rise above their station”. And if this is an offensive stereotype to some, I hope it helps you understand how offensive your stereotypes about others are.

Please try, however hard, to imagine that others see things differently to the way you do. Meghan is, like it or not, a positive black female role model, in a world desperate for them.

So when she said she was a woman of a colour and a sister, many of us women of colour took her words for what they were, and we took her to our hearts for what she represents. She is a sister. Feel free to read up on what sisterhood means to black women.

Please don’t presume to speak for black women by stating that you think our priorities should be our raped babies.

It is both patronizing and racist to presume you can know what those priorities are.

Has Meghan made mistakes? Of course, many. But given the racist tone of most of the commentary about her, especially here on Mumsnet, we definitely have her back.

I know that many will say there is no racism at all to the commentary, but I ask you all to reflect and think for a moment about what tools you possess that allow you to judge whether something is racist, what experience you have of racism, and above all, why it is that so many of you are willing to trade in stereotypes about Black people, the kind of stereotype delivered so effectively by @yolofish above.

Thanks for listening.

Rumboogie · 06/03/2020 14:30

Just watched some video of last night and cannot believe how awful that dress is on MM, looking at the back view. It is WAAAY too tight, rucking up round her waist as she attempts to pull it down and is positively indecent round her bum. What WAS she thinking!

Encyclo · 06/03/2020 14:36

Bravo @Tsukukuviri

TheNavigator · 06/03/2020 14:44

Round of applause @Tsukukuviri

Tsukukuviri · 06/03/2020 14:55

Thanks so much @Encyclo and @TheNavigator. I have been meaning to suggest to @MNHQ that they consider setting up a board to discuss race and racism, in the same way there is a feminism board.

I don’t for a minute think that most of it is malicious, it’s reflexive, unthinking, which is what makes it so pervasive.

On these threads, it has been fascinating to see the contrast between the treatment of Doria, a woman who has not given a single interview, and has said nothing at all about her daughter, and that of Thomas, whose every word reveals him to be a total narcissistic.

Yet it is Doria who is speculated about as being a bad, neglectful mother and ex-convict. And it is Thomas who is given the “poor dear man” treatment.

You could do an entire PhD on this alone!

DandyAF · 06/03/2020 14:58

Excellent post @Tsukukuviri with one large caveat.

You’re deflecting from your very valid points by making the statement “so many of you are willing to trade in stereotypes about black people”. That may be the case generally across the board on MN, it may have been the case in past threads. I’m not in a position to judge wether that’s true. But i do know it’s categorically not the case on this specific thread on which you’re posting. If it was you’d have referred to other posts and posters. It’s wrong to generically chastise us as a group. It’s not far off implying that we’re racist by mere virtue of posting on this thread and/or being critical of Meghan. You don’t know the ethnicity of many of us or of our families unless we’ve said so.

Please stick to talking about specific posters and posts when making accusations of racism.

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ashtyler · 06/03/2020 14:59

Excellent post @Tsukukuviri

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