Harry & Meghan what they’ll do next - Thread 2

[DandyAF]

Carrying on the conversation as the last thread finished mid-discussion.

A lot of MM's dresses don't seem to fit her.

That is ridiculous when you consider how much they cost.

I wonder how long it'll be until Harry gets the Simon Cowell school of dentistry treatment?

Looking at recent pics (today) compared with older, I am 99.9% certain MM has had her teeth (all or most) capped. It has altered her smile and the shape of her mouth slightly.

She really does look like a slimmer Kim Kardashian. I was reminded of something as PP said but couldn’t put my finger on it either.

And not for the better IMO

Remember milk teeth sweets? All perfectly white, straight but thicker than natural teeth.

just muddling
It will be a hair transplant and a teeth whitening job. Within a year.

The dress is apparently by Victoria Beckham. I’m sure MM said once that she loved VB clothes but didn’t wear them as the silhouette didn’t suit her.

It might be just me (dons steel knickers) but I don't really like this critique of appearance.

Women's bodies and features especially are regularly scrutinised for public entertainment/enjoyment and then we wonder why we have a culture where respect for women and their rights are under threat.

I've no issue whatsoever with discussion over what someone wears as long as it's confined to the attributes of the clothing rather than the physical attributes of the person wearing them.

I don't care if she's had her teeth done. If it makes her happy so what?

I don't care if she does/doesn't wear tights/stockings or (not ballet slippers) nail varnish, or a coat.

I quite admire her for sticking to her own style regardless of what HMQ deems appropriate and I'd be happy to see Catherine break the royal style rules if she wanted to.

I don't care if H has his teeth done or a hair transplant in the future if that's what he wants.

What I do care about is how they've behaved, specifically with regard to their over inflated sense of entitlement in believing that can make lifestyle choices that they cannot personally afford and expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab.

Discussions over appearance do nothing other than give credence to the argument that they "needed" to act as they did because everyone is "mean" - same as booing them (as happened tonight).

Rant over I'm off to hide now.

No, that's fair comment I think @DeRigueurMortis.
It's not the details of appearance that matter and it is too easy to get carried away picking on those. The central issue is what both Meghan and Harry expect compared ty what they are willing to give.

It's also the case, inevitably, that they are 'styling it out' at an event like this. They are obviously going to be smiling etc. And I don't object to them being happy - that's good. I object to them being entitled and that'll take time beyond tonight to see how it pans out.

I don't care what they look like - just feel a wave of real crossness looking at them. Who do they think they are?

I agree DRM. I'm OK about critique of clothes and style but less comfortable when it comes to physical characteristics. Absence of hosiery comes under the former though.

Re the videos, Dandy, it was demeanour rather than content. Just very contrived and insincere.

I've been thinking about the situation with leaving Archie. One of the reasons the security costs are estimated to be so high is because of the credible threat to their safety and also the kidnap risk to Archie. Surely the most vulnerable time for this to happen would be when both of his parents are not around? I can't imagine feeling comfortable leaving my very young child in another continent under any circumstances, never mind when there is that kind of threat. Even with the world's best security I would still want him by my side if I was going away for a week to another continent.

@DeRigueurMortis

I sort of agree with you. It’s not on to criticise MM for her white legs, or long waist etc. Just like it’s in extremely poor taste to put odds on how long her marriage will last, or to criticise anything to do with Archie. Same principles go for H.

But you cannot deny (and they seemingly don’t either) that appearances matter. See Smartworks.

It’s indicative of something that MM is wearing more apparent makeup than ever before (inside the RF), when it’s known that she was an actress and used to model. It’s indicative of something that the look she is emulating is the Kim Kardashian look. Humans can and do impute things from appearances, and humans can and do communicate via their appearance.

H&M have said they want more privacy and a quieter life. If MM had turned up at Mansion House looking like she wasn’t appealing to the cameras (let’s face it, she didn’t get dressed up like for whoever was inside the building) that would be in keeping. But she has turned up looking like the one person who seeks the limelight more voraciously than any other human on the planet (fake white teeth, hair extensions, highly made up, skin tight dress, high high heels, red lips). She’s no ingenou. She’s not a private individual going about her business, doing the teeth and the hair and flying her MUA from across the Atlantic Ocean because she just fancies it/ feels good about it/ whatever other reason private people have for doing these things. She knew there would be cameras.

It’s disingenuous to imply that all women want the same thing, that none of us would do anything we can to gain the advantage, that we’re all for the sisterhood, all feminists - or that we should be. MM is no Simone de Beauvoir, Gloria Steinem, Germaine Greer. She’s not even an Oprah type of feminist, or an Angelina Jolie (who has put in time and money and lent earned fame) or an Emma Watson (Oxford and Brown graduate) or an Amal Clooney (UN work in human trafficking realm) type of feminist. I don’t know that she is a feminist. Going by what I’ve seen and read of her over the last 3 years, she doesn’t seem to me to be a feminist much beyond recognising/relating to women who are disadvantaged because of their womanhood. As such, I have no qualms in assuming her appearance is a means to a feminism-neutral end. And as such, not above feminism-neutral critique. If she wants to play, let’s play 🤷‍♀️

I also reckon teeth (and nose?) work may be why there haven’t been many photos of MM in the past few weeks.

I don't see evidence of any "work" tbh. I think it's just the effect of the make up.

Meghan is a stunning woman - I love the dress.

I must say I admire the commitment to find everything "wrong" about her. Rest beloveds.

Great posts DRM and salmon

I agree with both of you though salmon has extended DRM’s. post further into more complex territory.

I think the hypocrisy is what makes her subject to criticism of everything about her. I do not see her as a feminist at all. She doesn’t earn any respect from me as a person, there is just nothing to admire. Her very artificial performance and appearance doesn’t do a lot to earn her genuine credibility.
What does melt my heart is when I see a genuine look of love between them. I want them to be happy, I want all this to have been worth it. It’s sad that Archie is over the other side of the Atlantic with a nanny whilst they are here. He is not going to have any family as he grows up, beyond Doria. He’s not going to have experience if his heritage and birthright on his father’s side. However I hope they as a family can work things out.

I will be relieved when they get on a plane finally and their life starts properly. Meghan has not been a breath of fresh air. She’s been a disaster for the Monarchy and is going to cost a ludicrous amount to maintain, living her best life at the expense of others. She needs to start living up to her stated
Ideals. Flying in her make up artist doesn’t strike the right note either.

About the etiquette thing, there is a video of them signing the guest book and she clearly says to Harry "do you want to go first?" And he ushers her to go first.

Interesting to see the comments about feminism. I posted yesterday about what the Countess of Wessex is doing this week, which shows existing support Royals show to women and girls causes (in this case violence, safety and education in two African countries)

Meghan/Harry wouid of course not be breaking new ground (or being a breath of fresh air) if they did similar. That portfolio sounds as if it wouid have been very much a good fit to their interests.

I look forward to seeing what she does on IWD

Here:

twitter.com/RE_DailyMail/status/1235643119460388864?s=20

Just an example of the way we perceive things may not always be the real story

Fabulous post @7salmonswimming

If she wants to play, let’s play.

This. She definitely came to play.

Harry made a heartfelt speech. She just simpered and took all the attention on to herself. You either see it or you don't. I don't wish them ill and hope they will be happy but I don't understand the fan worship.

I wish they would leave off with the PDAs. They're grown ups, not teenagers snogging in the corner while everyone pretends not to notice. And holding hands during the awards ceremony?? Unprofessional.