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Harry and Meghan what they’ll do next

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PelicanPie · 26/02/2020 10:48

Let’s strive to keep on topic and not engage with posts designed to disrupt.

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CanIHaveATiaraPlease · 29/02/2020 12:04

Wonder if the Swedish royals have to sit an exam at the end of their schooling? What would happen if you didn’t pass?

DateLoaf · 29/02/2020 12:26

Thanks Seneca very interesting!
Agree with you about the tough dynamic when there is a family hierarchy due to the expectations of the family business.

ajandjjmum · 29/02/2020 12:39

I think that giving them the Commonwealth role was a really big thing for HM to do, so that they would have a very definite, prestigious role of their own. They could have been excellent - and Harry would have been very much supporting his father and his brother, as their jobs become inevitably more onerous.

But yes Waspie - now a sunken ship. Sad

DandyAF · 29/02/2020 12:54

Hearing that HMQ had to give HRH to the younger two children of Prince William and gave titles to Lord Snowdon and others lends weight to Packing and DateLoaf's posts yesterday around the perception of what it is to be Royal - whether this is a divine right (as in Shakespeare and it's posited believed by The Queen Mother and Princess Margaret) or whether it's a family role and responsibility as head of state (it seems believed by HMQ, PP and PC) or whether it is a job more akin to a senior Civil Servant with a lot of pageantry and history thrown in to appeal to the tourists and traditionalists.

Good analysis but missing something very key. Our recent history lessons about succession have shown us that the overriding factors for what makes you royal and titled is (a) whose womb you came out of and (b) whether you have a penis.

That is what being royal historically or titled came down to and still does. Male privilege in action.

Which is partly why my sympathy for Harry is quite limited.

ajandjjmum · 29/02/2020 12:55

But that has now changed Dandy - if George had been a female, he would still have been Monarch.

FiveTwoFaster · 29/02/2020 12:56

Their not taking up the Commonwealth duties is damaging. HMQ was pretty determined to line up everything ready for her death to secure the relationships of it. She got Prince Charles in as the Head (not guaranteed), set up Prince Harry and the oh-so gracious and enthusiastic new Duchess of Sussex about it and Pfft! Not enough flattering articles in the papers to put their backs into doing their job.

DandyAF · 29/02/2020 12:59

True aj but I was thinking more of being a hereditary peer etc when I said it still applies.

It was very much the case when Harry was growing up and is an example of the longstanding sexist attitudes that he’s been raised in. (Indirectly if not directly.)

DandyAF · 29/02/2020 13:05

As for Diana reportedly saying she wanted Harry to support William, Seneca, she also reportedly said many times she didn’t want them being treated unequally.

Certainly up until the last few years, Harry was almost the same as William in terms of visibility and roles.

Waspie · 29/02/2020 13:20

Someone wise on a previous thread talked about how Diana brought her sons up to be equal, despite knowing that one would be King and the other a bit player existing at his brother's largesse.

Perhaps she (and Charles of course) were wrong to do this, but as a parent, how could they do differently and not bring the boys up in a really damaging dynamic? Although I don't think anyone brought up as part of the RF has any sort of "normal" family life anyway.

I believe it used to be in rich/aristocratic families that the first son inherited the title, the second went into the army, the third into the church (not sure about fourth and subsequent though) so each son knew their role and responsibility whilst growing up.

What the law needs is equality. Parliament needs to change the law around inheritance of titles and just make it first born inherits irrespective of sex, and that females can pass down their titles through their family line just as males can. It would resolve the issue of Princess Margaret's children only having titles because their father was made an Earl.

Alternatively, just scrap titles completely and have done with the whole lot. It is surely anachronistic in the 21st Century to have such feudal titles anyway.

DandyAF · 29/02/2020 13:46

Waspie

Well thank goodness someone wise on another thread made that point. As opposed to, say, an unwise person on this thread making the same point in a post directly above - and fifteen minutes before - yours.

GrinGrinGrin

Waspie · 29/02/2020 13:52

Sorry Dandy Flowers You are clearly very wise too Grin

Does anyone know what Camilla's title will be when Prince Charles becomes King? (someone wise will probably have said this already but my shitty skim reading will have missed it Wink )

lyralalala · 29/02/2020 13:57

Does anyone know what Camilla's title will be when Prince Charles becomes King? (someone wise will probably have said this already but my shitty skim reading will have missed it wink )

Legally she'll be Queen Camilla

What she'll be known as is unknown due to the suggestion she might be Princess Consort instead, but legally she'll be Queen.

She won't be able to stay known as Duchess of Cornwall as William will inherit the Cornwall title so Catherine will be Duchess of Cornwall & Cambridge

I think she'll just be known as Queen Camilla. Charles will want a Queen to his King I think

catinb0oots · 29/02/2020 13:57

From what I've read I think she automatically becomes Queen Consort (just as she is now Princess or Wales) but will most probably still be styled as the Duchess of Cornwall

SenecaFallsRedux · 29/02/2020 13:58

At the time of their marriage, it was stated that she would be known as Princess Consort. She will be Queen no matter what they call her just as now she is Princess of Wales. I think that she will take the title Queen.

catinb0oots · 29/02/2020 13:59

Lol I knew the first time I tried to answer a question I'd get it wrong

Will go back to lurking

DandyAF · 29/02/2020 14:01

Thanks Waspie I assumed it wasn’t meant as it could have been taken and it made me laugh Grin Wine

When it comes to royal titles and who gets called what, I have no shame in saying I’d be the one in the corner of the classroom wearing the dunce’s cap, definitely no gold star tiara for me. So I can’t help you with Camilla other than saying The Windsors tv prog have a thing about her being The Princess Consort as she wouldn’t be accepted as queen.

DandyAF · 29/02/2020 14:03

No no @catinb0oots stay and join me in the dunce’s corner. We can make paper tiaras. And fuck up the cutting so they come out wrong. Grin

DeRigueurMortis · 29/02/2020 14:03

There's been no official announcement about what C's title will be when PC becomes King.

I do seem to recall however (though I'm happy to be corrected) that it was reported that the "announcement" that C would be styled Princess Consort when PC becomes King has been removed from the website - leading to speculation that PC wants to see her made Queen.

DeRigueurMortis · 29/02/2020 14:05

Ahh the joys of the internet:

Upon her husband's accession to the throne, it was intended that Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, will be styled as Her Royal Highness The Princess Consort,[2] although she would legally be entitled to the title of Queen. However, in 2018, the press release to that effect was removed from the Clarence House website.

Source: Wikipedia

DandyAF · 29/02/2020 14:12

To go back to HaM briefly, I said on a previous thread that travelling amid the coronavirus threat would give Meghan and Archie a legit reason for not attending the events next week, should she want one. It’s more apt at this point in time and it may be by next week she doesn’t have a choice. We’ll see.

Andylion · 29/02/2020 14:15

From the link about Edward and Shakepseare: He couldn't be made the Duke of Wessex as there is no such dukedom in modern Britain.

One of the things I learned on this thread is that dukedoms aren't just made up by the Queen. I thought she just choose a name and stuck "Duke" on it. I am suitably embarrassed. Blush

lyralalala · 29/02/2020 14:19

One of the things I learned on this thread is that dukedoms aren't just made up by the Queen. I thought she just choose a name and stuck "Duke" on it. I am suitably embarrassed. blush

Don't be embarassed

The Queen could make up a Dukedom if she wanted. She could have made Edward Duke of Wessex. She could have made him Duke of Bagshot Park if she really wanted

They tend to stick to titles that have been used general unless a new title is needed, like the one created for the Duke of Windsor

Waspie · 29/02/2020 14:23

Thanks all (particularly Dandy Grin)

Please forgive my ignorance of royal titles, but were I to bump into Camilla in Waitrose as we both reach for the same cantaloupe (once PC is King), would I say "excuse me Your Majesty, after you", or would I say "Your Royal Highness" ? Of course I realise the odds of this chance encounter are very remote.

I'm assuming that if she is styled as Princess Consort she would be known as "your royal highness" but if she were Queen Camilla she would be "your majesty" ?

Interesting that the statement about Princess Consort has been removed from the Clarence House website DeRig. Prince Albert was Prince Consort because the Govt thought the people of the UK wouldn't want a German King. Is feeling really still strongly negative about Camilla?

DandyAF · 29/02/2020 14:28

Waspie there’s a grave error in your post. Surely if one was in Waitrose, one would be reaching for the Duchy of Cornwall goods. Wink

DeRigueurMortis · 29/02/2020 14:30

Is feeling really still strongly negative about Camilla?

I think time has done a lot to mellow feelings towards her - plus how she's conducted herself.

Personally I have no issue with her being Queen. Unlike PoW it is a title Diana never held so I'm not sure i see the problem.

That said you'll still get people posting negatively about her so it's fair to say there are definitely still pockets of the public who wouldn't want to see her made Queen. It's hard to say just how rife that is though.

If she became queen you'd firstly refer to her as your majesty and thereafter ma'am (to rhyme with jam).