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Harry and Meghan what they’ll do next

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PelicanPie · 26/02/2020 10:48

Let’s strive to keep on topic and not engage with posts designed to disrupt.

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Winterlife · 27/02/2020 17:59

@Ritascornershop, yes, they did nothing here so I was pretty burned about the cost. Those dollars could have funded 40 student summer jobs. Such a waste of resources.

I’m next door to you. Smile

TimeLady · 27/02/2020 18:00

If his cousins Beatrice, Eugenie, (both HRH) and Peter and Zara don't warrant security funded by taxpayers, why does Harry now he's not a 'senior royal' either?

Absolutepowercorrupts · 27/02/2020 18:04

Time Lady
I think he warrants the extra cost because he's closer in the line of succession that Zara and Peter

HarryDaylight · 27/02/2020 18:05

Who makes the decision with regards to security for the Royal Family?

ilovejeffgoldblum · 27/02/2020 18:08

That may be true, absolute when he lived in the U.K. . But as they've chosen to live abroad and step back , it surely wouldn't matter now would it ....
Bet they'd be steaming back if anything happened and h was to be king!

meercat23 · 27/02/2020 18:13

Isn't the protection also because of his military service in Afghanistan?

Cohle · 27/02/2020 18:15

I think he warrants the extra cost because he's closer in the line of succession that Zara and Peter

Prior to the birth of Prince George in 2013, Harry was third in line to the throne and Beatrice and Eugenie were 5th and 6th respectively. But it was in 2011 that B & E were stripped of their 24/7 security. So there is precedent for those higher in the line of succession than Harry is currently not receiving security.

The only real argument is that the level of threat against Meghan and Harry is higher. But you do have to wonder how much of that is down to the lifestyle they have chosen to pursue.

DandyAF · 27/02/2020 18:16

I think he warrants the extra cost

Well there’s extra, and then there’s being as young people put it, “sooo EXTRA”.

Ritascornershop · 27/02/2020 18:17

@Winterlife - waving Smile All sorts it could have funded. Rental housing subsidies, summer jobs, post-secondary tuition, grants to women’s shelters on the Downtown Eastside. It seemed odd they pitched up here and then proceeded to do bugger-all (bar Meghan’s day out in Vancouver). It seemed so oddly disconnected - they’ve been here (off and on) for what? 3 months? And didn’t take a single ferry ride. I also didn’t hear of them coming into town - they just have been bored rigid. The scenery in Brentwood is lovely, but I know I’d want to come into Victoria weekly if I moved out there. But then my private chef is me, so I need town for the bakeries and sushi and fish and chips and whatnot.

CanIHaveATiaraPlease · 27/02/2020 18:20

I’m not their greatest fan but they do warrant security. Harry will be the son & then the brother of the King so yes on that basis they should have security.

alliwantisagoodnightssleep · 27/02/2020 18:21

If the protection relates to his Afghanistan military service why don’t all of our soldiers have it. That is a nonsense argument. I can understand him needing it as a high ranking member of the royal family but if he is not representing Britain and the Royal family he should have to pay for it himself.

ilovejeffgoldblum · 27/02/2020 18:23

Yes all I was about to say my dh was in Afghanistan and Iraq where's our protection?

Absolutepowercorrupts · 27/02/2020 18:23

Ah, I should have made it clear that I, personally don't think that he does warrant the security. I think that's why he does have the security that the others don't.
However as pp have said, he's chosen to step away and live his life elsewhere. He should now pay for any security.

DandyAF · 27/02/2020 18:28

To put my comment another way, yes they require security but there’s a limit. The cost of the UK providing their security going forward is highly likely surely to be more than the cost of providing security for the Queen, or W & K. All of whom are of course very much working royals. That would be absurd.

They should get given the cost of their security when they were in the UK but no more. The rest they should self-finance.

DandyAF · 27/02/2020 18:30

I mean whatever their annual security cost on average was up until November and their break, they should be given that. They then top it up.

alliwantisagoodnightssleep · 27/02/2020 18:34

How do we balance their security with Beatrice and Eugenie? They had their personal protection officers removed and Andrew pays for them personally. The reason given was they were not full time working royals. When this happened Beatrice was 6th in line and Eugenie 7th. Harry is now 6th and Archie 7th so if we are treating everyone the same...

GracefulHippo · 27/02/2020 18:35

I am waiting to see who will fund the security. If it ends up being the UK taxpayers and the estimate is at the higher range due to all travelling (Harry in one place, Meghan in another and Archie in a third), I find that outrageous. Even if part of it is for their chosen charities Angry.

If that comes to pass, I may start a petition to debate this in parliament. I understand that they cannot publish details about security. However, I think they could publish three numbers: 1) estimated cost for protection if they lived quietly at Frogmore 2) Actual cost 3) which part of the budget it is coming from

ilovejeffgoldblum · 27/02/2020 18:38

I know...Ive been reading this thread in absolute morbid curiosity of people spending hours of their lives obsessing over them. I mean, do any of you actually work or have children to look after? Hopefully not. The person talking about their menopausal belly made me think wow, a middle-aged woman doing this?! It's fascinating.

@Sunshineand this is a personal attack on a poster I have reported you

Alsgirl · 27/02/2020 18:38

Were they not complaining of being treated differently (to Beatrice and Eugenie)?

PelicanPie · 27/02/2020 18:47

all I want

I agree about Beatrice and Eugenie versus the Sussex’s . As non working Royals they should all be equal. In fact B and E will still attend some Royal events whereas H and M will be living elsewhere and won’t. Why should H and M get protection paid for by the public at all? They aren’t doing anything to earn it. The Queen or PC should pay for it, or they can pay for it themselves.

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DeRigueurMortis · 27/02/2020 18:47

The difference re: H on security vs. B&E is that H is not only the grandson of the reigning monarch but unlike them, will in time be the son and then brother of the monarch.

That relationship is the basis for any threat and additionally the need for security.

I've no issue whatsoever with continued taxpayer security at current levels in lieu of the above.

What I do have an issue with is that as a result of lifestyle choices they have made, they have an expectation of continued security at over 5 times the current cost (from an estimated £3m to £20m).

Over 5 years alone that's an extra funding of £85m and presumably they expect that indefinitely. Over 25 years that's £425m.

This is not small change. They certainly can't afford it.

Their egos are writing cheques their bank balances can't cash.

As I posted on the zapped thread, this uplift isn't fundamentally about their travel.

It's about the lack of efficiency in the Met having to provide protection abroad on a permanent basis.

CPO's (close protection officers) are highly trained and skilled (and thus rightly highly paid). They have families.

Even if any are prepared to re-locate that costs money and even then relocated where? No one really knows where H&M will settle.

That means a rotation of U.K. CPO's. That incurs travel, overtime and accommodation costs.

Worst still you can't staff that on the basis of day to day needs. In the UK if plans change, a PCO is sick or there's an emergency issue the Met can quickly draft in extra staff. They can also "balance" the pool of PCO's across the royal family as needed. In a crisis they can call in the army/SAS.

None of this is possible if H&M are in Canada. They have to staff the security to cover all eventualities - effectively creating a mini Met CP office across the pond.

So aside from having to "over staff" H&M's protection that ALSO depletes the pool of CPO's for everyone else - that pool will have to be replenished.

So when they estimate H&M will need 12 CPO's going forward (rather than 4) they also have to replace that uplift to provide security for everyone else.

That's why the cost is so high and something H&M won't have considered.

I honestly don't know what the answer is. They do need security- I don't dispute that but my goodness the figures involved just don't seem sustainable especially when is a result of choice (in living outside the U.K.) rather than need.

GracefulHippo · 27/02/2020 18:48

CanIHaveaTiara, I agree completely, they need security, no question about it!

I would just like a complete transparency around exactly how much more their lifestyle choices cost the taxpayers and what the taxpayer have to give up in order to fund it.

I know there have been disagreements around comparing this to general policing, homelessness etc. Maybe justifiably so if it comes from another budget. That is why there should be transparency!!!

Absolutepowercorrupts · 27/02/2020 18:48

Alsgirl
Were they not complaining of being treated differently (to Beatrice and Eugenie)?
Not by name but the implication was that H&M were being treated differently in one of their statements.

IrmaFayLear · 27/02/2020 18:51

I simply don't know how anyone could justify the cost, least of all H&M. Indications are that it would be an embarrassingly huge sum.

GracefulHippo · 27/02/2020 18:52

DeRig, I agree with your post. That is why transparency on the extra cost and where it is coming from is needed. Would you sign my petition Grin?