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Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2

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DaveCoaches · 23/02/2020 21:26

I wimped out of the other thread title I planned as I thought it might look goady.

But please let’s keep it as the reality-and-let's-avoid-idle-speculation-and-reliance-on-dodgy-sources thread (thanks Seneca!).

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annielouise · 26/02/2020 15:15

rocking: It doesn't seem, from my understanding of feminism, that good to just keep using this one dress to bash an individual woman.

Now that people are starting to finally admit it was obscene the "bashing" as you call it can probably be laid to rest.

rockingchaircandle · 26/02/2020 15:18

Annie, I've made three clear points about 'the dress'!

If you want to engage the material is there. Its looking pretty targeted at Seneca now.

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 15:19

That Mail article is priceless! Anne first wore one outfit in 1980 and has been seen in it FOUR [their capitals, not mine] times since then! Imagine wearing an outfit again once a decade!

SenecaFallsRedux · 26/02/2020 15:19

Just so that anyone who is concerned thinks that I am not "engaging" properly, I am at work now and will be for the next several hours. So no engaging for me for a while.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 15:19

Encyclo: How do you know she didn't earn the money? That's true Encyclo, maybe it was a gift to herself bought by herself and she didn't think it an obscene amount that would cut into her assets too much knowing that her father-in-law would be covering future expenses like clothing.

Still doesn't take away from the fact it was obscene and was tone deaf.

I can understand how not earning her own money would affect her but to be given what is like 'pocket money' in a way. Takes away your autonomy.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/02/2020 15:22

There are no photos or video of any of them bowing or curtsying to anyone other than the Queen, except for Kate doing a slight bob on one occasion to Philip

I guess it depends which Philip(pe?) you meant ... there's a great one here Wink

Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2
annielouise · 26/02/2020 15:22

Encyclo - I never hear that - Queen of Sheba, yes, definitely.

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 15:23

The issue is the lack of a clear source for assertions about how curtseying protocol works. If it's agreed there's no definitive rule anyone can find beyond links already posted, then anything else is just personal impressions. And that's where we are with it. Don't really see what's not 'engaging' from annie.

littlemeitslyn · 26/02/2020 15:23

Why does anyone even care ?

rockingchaircandle · 26/02/2020 15:25

Ah cross post, Annie! It was acknowledged at the time of what I presume was the first discussion.

Maybe I've misunderstood, but you were just 'bashing' Meghan to get people (who already had) to say the dress cost too much?

I think my points still stand about the dress.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 15:27

rocking - sorry, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't and I'm not saying that to carry on an argument. But as said, glad you can say it now. There does seem to be some more common ground accepted on this thread and it's turning into something that is not such an echo chamber - something levelled at both sides.

Encyclo · 26/02/2020 15:29

*Encyclo: How do you know she didn't earn the money? That's true Encyclo, maybe it was a gift to herself bought by herself and she didn't think it an obscene amount that would cut into her assets too much knowing that her father-in-law would be covering future expenses like clothing.

Still doesn't take away from the fact it was obscene and was tone deaf.*

I wouldn't play too fast and loose with the term "tone deaf" when it comes to the RF. They've all had their moments. Some more than others.

This was one of her first public moments as Harry's fiancé. She can't have known at that stage what the media were about to do to her.

Those pics were very romantic though.

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 15:36

She can't have known at that stage what the media were about to do to her.

Someone mentioned judging by historical experience earlier. On that basis there would be some portents that a mixture of 'breath of fresh air' enthusiasm and various kinds of criticism would be forthcoming. Harry certainly ought to have known - didn't he say he'd prepared her?

Everycloud12 · 26/02/2020 15:42

I think others around her should have known how that expensive dress would be perceived. She was either let down or ignored the advice.

Kate is championing children's issues as well as mental health. I've not seen any comments about her own children having access to the best schools and tutors while the children of ordinary tax payers often struggle to get places in local schools.

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 15:46

everycloud true, I see a lot of comments on here from parents in London about the nightmare of getting a school place. I assume that wasn't the case for the Cambridges. That said, has Kate talked about school issues? I thought the focus was more early years with this questionnaire.

Everycloud12 · 26/02/2020 15:51

Buttery I don't know the exact details. Regardless her children will have had a better start in life.

The same with access to mental health services.

None of them practice what they preach and I think it shows a sad state of affairs to continue to support the concept of a monarchy in this day and age.

TheNavigator · 26/02/2020 15:55

Why does anyone even care ?

I know, I can't believe how many posters are banging on and on about curtseying and the cost of Meghan's dress. How can you get so invested in such trivia?

PortiaCastis · 26/02/2020 15:58

Wish Dave the OP of this thread would come back I was having quite a nice chat with him/her.

GracefulHippo · 26/02/2020 16:08

Every, hypocrisy is not exclusive to the royal family. Kate hasn’t said anything about school choices as far as I am aware.

I think Diane Abbot is worse, backing abolishing private schools, criticising Tony Blair’s choice of school (Oratory, Catholic School if I remember correctly) whilst sending her own son to private school. That was truly awful.

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 16:10

I'm happy to talk about a range of things @TheNavigator or @littlemeitslyn - please link me to the threads where you're discussing weightier matters, the really burning social issues, and I'll be delighted to join you. People are allowed to also discuss what they want - it's not an either/or.

Everycloud12 · 26/02/2020 16:13

Wow, what a bizarre segue Graceful

You do know that we get to vote in relation to politicians? It really isn't comparable.

peridito · 26/02/2020 16:15

Why does anyone care - I don't think they do care much about the subject matter ,I think the curtesying stuff is just a way of kicking Seneca.

Goodness knows why, she's one of the most polite ,helpful posters I've come across on MN .

I suppose there is so little in the news about H&M at the moment that there's not much outlet for having a go and some target has to be found . It's often Rocking but currently it seems it's Seneca.

Samcro · 26/02/2020 16:17

@PortiaCastis yes its sad they went and hid the thread. but can't blame them as it has been hijacked so badly.

Froq · 26/02/2020 16:21

whilst sending her own son to private school. That was truly awful.

It’s almost like taking private flights and flying regularly between countries whilst lecturing others on the environment.

Or complaining about having a difficult time after visiting South African townships.

peridito · 26/02/2020 16:23

yup , nothing new to discuss ,posters have to go over and over the same old stuff .