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Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2

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DaveCoaches · 23/02/2020 21:26

I wimped out of the other thread title I planned as I thought it might look goady.

But please let’s keep it as the reality-and-let's-avoid-idle-speculation-and-reliance-on-dodgy-sources thread (thanks Seneca!).

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annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:24

Enclyco: His entire family have used private jets extensively and PC in particular is very keen to lecture everyone on environmental issues.

I agree they all need scrutiny and chastising where necessary on this. PC though to be fair is next in line to the throne and does have more of a case of his safety being important than H who is sixth and probably that number is meaningless now as he could never come back and take the throne (putting to one side the dreadful events that would result in that). The press would have a field day and looking back to history he'd have a dreadful moniker like Harry the fickle or something like that.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:27

katie: This is why I believe HM told them they couldn't use the term Royal. H&M just don't have the team (or sense) to do due diligence about what firms and charities to work with, especially when there's financial motivation to overlook things in order to be financially independent. They would make it look like these firms had Royal approval and they'd be too open to exploitation.

I agree. Being cruel to be kind you could say. So many of them in the RF seem to have been hoodwinked - PC (wasn't he friendly with a paedophile priest?) PA, Fergie, Sophie. It wouldn't look good for it to happen to H&M.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:30

Cereisys: So the Queen is worried about Epstein connections now and not when her own son was actually linked to him?

I agree and I think everyone else will too although don't like to speak for others. The PA / Epstein link should have been nipped in the bud by the queen. Perhaps this is why the Queen is now perhaps being viewed as being harsh to H&M. They seem to have implied it saying others have been allowed to have independent financial interests (I forget the wording so please correct me if I'm wrong) but that they've been put on a 12-month probation.

Poppyfields21 · 26/02/2020 10:32

Laurie...are you suggesting the telegraph should not report on factual matters if they don’t fit your views? The telegraph reporting on the RFs change of precedence is purely factual reporting?!

IrmaFayLear · 26/02/2020 10:32

How dare she try and change our Royal Family? Respect our institutions...She's a great role model

I'm no royalist, but I think it's polite to respect institutions. If a British person were to marry the US President (not necessarily the current one!) I'm sure they would try to "fit in" and learn the ropes. Of course people make mistakes, or want to do things a little differently, but it's not "pandering" to go along with a few age-old rules that came in the job description.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:32

Poppy: Agree that HM is trying to protect the RF from tarnishing the wider institution. She has enough to deal with at the moment with PA. They should all be learning from this and the importance of keeping good company. There’s a real risk in the business world that H&M could end up associating with business/individuals that have an unsavoury press impact

Yes, and H&M no longer have the manpower to do the research on the organisations and people they could end up associating with to the in-depth extent they did when royal.

Roussette · 26/02/2020 10:34

PC (wasn't he friendly with a paedophile priest?) PA, Fergie, Sophie

Yes to all of that. Embarrassing. And only weeks ago there's Peter Phillips advertising milk on Chinese TV. I wonder what in god's name made him think this was an OK thing to do? It doesn't surprise me that H&M feel a bit miffed that these sort of shenanigans can go on, but their every move is criticised.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:34

I’m sure the royals will have hobnobbed with them before. Can we have a source for this, please, Laurie?

TheMustressMhor · 26/02/2020 10:35

Surely there can be one place on mn that is not bullying them

What do you mean by this? That this is the only place on MN where people can find positives in H & M's behaviour?

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:36

Perf: Their British Protection officers must be doing a fair few air miles between them. Not sure that's being environmentally aware.

No, it's not. How will he turn it around? Taking commercial yesterday when he flew in though was a good move. What appeared to be four protection officers though might be seen as negating that. It'll be a balancing act for sure - mild understatement there Grin

Roussette · 26/02/2020 10:37

Thinking of all the dodgy links and stuff the RF have done before, I do think H&M have become the scapegoat somewhat. I think there is a big sea change overdue, and it will happen when PC takes up the mantle.

TheMustressMhor · 26/02/2020 10:37

I'm not a royalist myself.

I am, however, surprised that Harry and Meghan seem to be the only members of the RF who (most) people on this thread approve of wholeheartedly.

Nobody is perfect and their behaviour has not always stood up to scrutiny.

Yet on this thread everything they do is lauded. Why?

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:39

Katie: I certainly think with H&M the Queen was much more aware of how wrong things could go and disallowed the use of Royal

I agree. As I said could be said to be being 'cruel' to be kind.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:41

peridito: I see Rose is introducing dogging

What on earth is this relating to? There is a poster called RoseandRose I think but can't see any mention of dogging anywhere?

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annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:44

Katie: Or she might have just been being a spiteful granny, but then they'd hardly be pleased to see each other and be playing happy families while H is on British soil as someone claimed previously

Yes, this would be contradictory and totalling illogical. If the queen has been spiteful then H&M will likely be sore at her. If she hasn't been spiteful then I'm sure they are playing happy families.

rockingchaircandle · 26/02/2020 10:45

Nobody is perfect and their behaviour has not always stood up to scrutiny.

Yet on this thread everything they do is lauded. Why?

I don't think everything they do is lauded! There's just a lot more balance. That could be jarring if you're used to a certain portrayal of their actions on traditional and social media.

But the thread's title will attract people who like them, and/or would like to see more balance.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:47

Tiara: The Queen is the boss of the Firm & out of it mum/gran.

Yes, while H&M might have wanted out, or at least out partly, others like PC and W will want to carry on the family business so she has to protect it for them. She doesn't always get it right, as history has shown with the PA treatment, but I suppose she does try to learn from her mistakes.

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MichaelMumsnet · 26/02/2020 10:56

Hi all, we're still getting reports about goadiness/inflammatory posting on threads like this. Please try to not bring over arguments from other threads. We might have to suspend the accounts of any persistent offenders - which obviously is something we'd rather not do.
Hopefully things will get back on track now.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:56

Laurie: Anyway for those concerned about the dodgy credentials of JP Morgan, they have sponsorship links with Lords Cricket Ground, The US Open, National Portrait Gallery, Barnardos, and that's just a handful.

Problem is organisations want/need money to carry on. We, the public, would hope they've done their due diligence when forming alliances but it doesn't always get done. A blind eye is turned to things sometimes too. Hopefully not with these large organisations you mention. A lot of organisations have murky reputations. I know someone that won't shop at Tesco to this day due to the rent/landlord scandal of the 1950s. Her aunt had been affected. I can't remember exactly what it was. Mud sticks though. Many people lost their homes with the sub-prime crisis in the US. There might be individuals out there with a grudge towards the banks because of that, and it's not that long ago. So caution must be there and due diligence.

Even a smear that isn't warranted would not be good for H&M. The perception, rightly or wrongly, of JP Morgan is not good. You can't control people's minds - there might be a blanket negative thought about big banks that needs to be taken into account, especially as the financial crisis wasn't that long ago.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 10:59

I agree Irma.

Roussette · 26/02/2020 11:07

Yet on this thread everything they do is lauded. Why?

Not everything. Absolutely not. But I think they have been treated abominably by the press and others so personally that makes me want to stick up for them somewhat. They have made some total clangers, but right from the start I liked Meghan, I felt she was a breath of fresh air and a force for good and although they haven't handled the whole thing well, I don't dislike her as lots do.

I like K&W too, and Anne, Edward is OK, just can't abide PA as I think his sense of entitlement is pretty obvious and has been for years, let alone the Epstein business which at the end was a 'fuck you, if I want to walk in Central Park with my friend, the paedophile, I will'.

katiegoestoaldi · 26/02/2020 11:08

Annielouise I still doubt they're playing happy families even though HM wasn't being spiteful. They were banking (ha!) on using the term Royal, now they can't and have to be busy rebranding they must be frothing. The statement on their website read like they were stamping their feet at the unfairness

Gosh, I wouldn't work for a family business for love nor money!

CanIHaveATiaraPlease · 26/02/2020 11:08

Deviation

Has anyone watched last nights episode of The Windsor’s? It’s hilarious & no one has escaped scrutiny. My favourite are Camilla & Anne.

Poppyfields21 · 26/02/2020 11:08

Rousette yes people have waited for hours and there’s at least one incident where M has pulled H away from talking to people. It’s poor form.