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Harry and Meghan 19 (The One With The Capitalisation)

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TheMustressMhor · 22/02/2020 11:11

Off we go.

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Butterymuffin · 22/02/2020 16:28

Zara Phillips is now director of Cheltenham racecourse, following her equestrian career. Peter Phillips manages his sports company when he's not advertising milk.

Princess Margaret's children: David Linley is a bespoke furniture maker. Sarah Chatto is a professional painter! (Never knew that)

I imagine having royal connections has helped them all out to some extent. However, they've all found something to do that doesn't involve a celebrity-like existence in the public eye.

Butterymuffin · 22/02/2020 16:32

Dozer not sure, but the article does say Beatrice doesn't get money from the Sovereign Grant, and neither is her security paid for. Andrew or the Queen presumably cover those costs. So not quite so ground breaking for the Sussexes to exist without taking Sovereign Grant money.

lyralalala · 22/02/2020 16:38

The bit that H&M don't seem to be getting is that you can't do royal work without taking money from the Sovereign Grant.

Other titled royals who work for profit either do no official royal work - Beatrice, Eugenie, David Linley/Snowdon - or they also get their official royal jobs covered by the Sovereign Grant like Duke & Duchess of Kent

Where did they think the funding for these limited royal jobs was going to come from? Particularly with their interest in the Commonwealth.

The Queen simply cannot start funding royal tours for H&M from her own purse because then questions would get asked "Well, why are we paying for Charles?" "Why do we pay for William and Kate?"

Royal jobs = royal funding. Can't have it both ways

When HMQ is sadly no longer with us William will inherit the Duchy of Cornwall. Are we to assume that M&H will need to have sorted their financial independence by then. I can’t imagine W being willing to fork over millions to them.

W wouldn't be funding them at that point. Charles would be funding them - as the Queen does for the extras for Andrew, his girls, Anne and the rest of the royals outwith their royal expenses.

It would only be when W was King that his sibling would be his direct expense.

ilovejeffgoldblum · 22/02/2020 16:40

apple.news/A7DOMQxzMRUGkWgBEks4E5A
Article in the sun, Kate and William will skip invictus , but meg will be front and centre!

derxa · 22/02/2020 16:46

William at the France/Wales rugby match and singing the Welsh anthem.
Do you think Harry despised those sort of events all along? Or will he miss them?

AgeLikeWine · 22/02/2020 16:46

Is there anyone on MN who doesn’t think this is all going to end in tears, and end sooner rather than later?

Alsohuman · 22/02/2020 16:48

Doesn’t look like it.

Teresajune · 22/02/2020 16:54

SussexRoyle?

Teresajune · 22/02/2020 16:55

I must admit that when they initially stated that they didn't want to be senior royals anymore and wanted to earn their own money, I did think it was odd that they chose to keep the word 'Royal' in their brand name. Seemed a bit arse about face.

FiveTwoFaster · 22/02/2020 16:56

It is a crying shame that Prince Harry didn’t meet someone 5 years ago who got into it all very slowly, who didn’t want to be “famous” but was keen to have children with him (I feel sure with no evidence one way or another that he is a good and adoring father) and then carve out her own patch of interest where she could help, while cementing an already close family unit.

But since he didn’t, and he rushed headlong into marriage with someone he didn’t really know all that well, who wanted fame above all else from her teens, I wish he would stop fucking it all up! Every step they make is grim, turgid error!

(I realise I’m not adding anything new to the discussion but I cannot grasp how two people with every advantage in life can get bloody everything wrong for weeks on end. And they are even paying people to help!)

Yahboosnubsme · 22/02/2020 16:56

Past experience is usually the best indicator of future performance, so unless they start reigning it in today AgeLikeWine, I very much doubt it.

The pressure on them as a couple (for the relationship to last) must be immense, small disagreements between them could escalate very quickly into full blown arguments in such a goldfish bowl, and they'd have nowhere to go or no-one else to turn to, H in particular.

FizzyLimes · 22/02/2020 17:00

Thanks @TimeLady for the share token

SpinneyHill · 22/02/2020 17:03

Did anyone spot the wording trickery?
The preference of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex was to continue to represent and support Her Majesty The Queen albeit in a more limited capacity
Hmm, so they would have preferred to carry on? How strange and mean for HMQ to have forced them against their will into a life of NOT serving the UK!
Per the agreement The Duke and Duchess of Sussex understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties and not undertake representative duties on behalf of Her Majesty The Queen
Again they understand that they have been forced into this against their wishes, by the Queen.
and this
It was agreed that The Duke and Duchess will no longer be able to formally carry out ‘official duties’ for The Queen
Again, they are playing the role of victims, forced into this position of no longer being allowed to do what they want which was Royal Service...But how kind of H&M to have agreed anyway!
They can fuck the fuck off with it

OVienna · 22/02/2020 17:05

A Prince Andrew account has just requested me on Insta...

yoikes · 22/02/2020 17:06

..and it should have been "whilst!" Not "while"...

DandyRaven · 22/02/2020 17:10

Don’t get groomed, @OVienna ...

Butterymuffin · 22/02/2020 17:12

A real Prince Andrew account, or a 'fan' account? (if, as they say in Mitchell & Webb, you can imagine such a thing..)

Froq · 22/02/2020 17:12

Interesting Robert Palmer (royal reporter) tweet:

When she was in Windsor, the Queen went to see the Sussexes regularly at Frogmore Cottage to try to settle them, I’m told. But she also found their behaviour towards staff and others frustrating and disappointing.

Imagine having the queen just popping in, I’d never settle.

After the initial anger inside the Royal Family when the Sussexes bounced the Firm into a premature negotiation by going public about their plan on their half-baked, North Korean-style website, senior figures inside the Royal Household set out to accommodate them if possible

Grin North Korean style website

mobile.twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1231131246014664704

CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate · 22/02/2020 17:13

why is official duties in quotes? Did you include those Spinney?

It kind of hints at 'we will do duties, just not in an official capacity'

lyralalala · 22/02/2020 17:14

Hmm, so they would have preferred to carry on? How strange and mean for HMQ to have forced them against their will into a life of NOT serving the UK!

They wanted to cherry pick engagements, but not be paid from the Sovereign Grant

So either their engagements would have to have been special and paid for by the Queen or Charles personally (therefore raising questions over why “we” pay for William, Kate, Anne to go on tour of wherever, but Meghan and Harry do it for “free”) or they’d have to have done them for free out of their own pockets (bringing up the same arguments)

Or they didn’t actually want to do them and knew that this proposal would be declined....

FizzyLimes · 22/02/2020 17:14

I am not sure it is doing damage to the monarchy now that the Queen has shown herself to be a badass.

Agreed. The Queen has unilateral support from the press and the majority of the British for her decision making over this affair.

But it is sad for PH I think. I think he desperately wanted a loving, more emotionally nourishing simpler life, and instead somehow a nuclear bomb has gone off in his life instead. It is going to separate him from his family and friends, everything that gave his lfie some sort of meaning

Harry and Archie are going to be the biggest losers; whichever way this turns out. Either a divorce from Meghan or continued estrangement from the wider RF and their Royal heritage.

7salmonswimming · 22/02/2020 17:15

MM and Harry - she saw her chance at something, anything. If she’d had the choice between Harry and, say, a young Kennedy, she’d have gone with the latter. She doesn’t care for or about the UK or the RF.

Harry and MM - he saw someone willing (and maybe he thought able) to take him out of his prison. Her vision of a life in the California sunshine, free and adored with his beautiful wife and son, just like he used to be with his beautiful mum, must have been irresistible. Freedoms at last! He must feel giddy with it all.

They’re both in thrall to each other and themselves. They’re paying people who are reinforcing this vortex of adoration. They’re getting paid in it. The ‘good works’ are a vehicle for this adoration. The security and the titles and insta followers and the houses and the private jets - they’re all necessary scaffolding for this construct of bucolic amazingness, so far removed from the rainy, drab, dull, unexciting, unknown duty of ribbon cutting in Hull.

The pique and petulance comes from reality bursting their bubble, from constantly having to be dragged back into what they’re running away from. Why can’t you just leave us alone but also give us what we need to be amazing?? We neeeeeeed it?? Ok fine, if you won’t give it to me I’ll get it somewhere else. Anyone with a teenager after the latest phone/ shoes/ make-up will recognise it.

But what is it all for? As a married couple, do they want the same things in life? Do the same things matter to them? Harry wants out of the RF. She was never in it so doesn’t need to get out (frankly she’s already out and need never go back). Does he care about California? Does he care about having a high profile? Does he care about making sure you never have to worry about the next gig in a precarious industry? Does he care about making the last 37 years mean something, show that you’re Someone and you’ve Made It? Does she care about Africa? Wounded veterans? Polo? Hunting? Your batty uncles and aunts, your shared history with brother and cousins? England? Getting drunk in Chelsea and falling out of clubs at 2am before driving down to Highgrove for Sunday lunch with your Dad and his mad second wife? (I have no clue what a pampered Prince cares about...)

Maybe the prospect of freedom is so alluring that he can readily wave goodbye to all that stuff right now. But it gnaws at you. Anyone who’s tried to separate themselves from their past will tell you it’s not without consequence. History is very, very difficult to escape entirely.

These stories never have happy, contented outcomes. In her case, a rolling stone gathers no moss. In his case, if you’re going to run, make sure you know what you’re running to.

It’s not even clear they’re running in the same direction.

Figgygal · 22/02/2020 17:15

That statement is so unnecessary and inflammatory it can be taken each way but dear lord they don’t help themselves

DandyRaven · 22/02/2020 17:17

Interesting that the piece about Meghan (and Harry) being front and centre at the Invictus Games in May came out today.

I think it’s true and strategic. Putting out the message now that she’ll be by her husband’s side, as you would hope and expect, for the event that’s closest to him. Which is in The Hague, and in May.

It’s currency for if/when she bails on the events in the UK in March. A pre-emotive strike against the naysayers who say she doesn’t support her husband and won’t attend his official engagements. Even though Spring will have Sprung by then.

Dozer · 22/02/2020 17:19

Granny “popping in” - terrifying!