M & H-as-I-call-him 16

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Well here we are, another thread for those who wish to discuss. We are not nasty, but we do call account on what is going on, and and what taxpayers pay for.

@strictlymomdancing Exactly this.

I think during the speech she made you can see in her face and eyes the fact that she was doing it under duress. It did not come across as heartfelt. When she spoke of her respect for Diana, it didn't ring true.

I think the queen and PC were blindsided and didn't know what to do. I agree PC feared for his safety. There is no way those boys should have been on public display. It makes me gasp with with horror to watch it now.

Even if walking behind a coffin is protocol, the RF, the queen, doesn't seem to be able to bend or change protocol deftly and timely in response to the public mood, which isn't a sign of good leadership. They're constantly behind the curve and do things when they have to. It seems she'll do anything to keep the gravy train going. During the queen's earlier reign, she hasn't had to. She's from an era when they were the ultimate figureheads but PC and PW have had to learn that like politicians they are there basically on the grace and goodwill of the public, now more so than ever, and I don't think the queen or PC like it one bit. Then you have the other extreme, PW and PH trying to be more accessible, one of the people, and I don't think that ultimately works long term either. They've been mocked for years but usually once removed. Now W&K had to sit and grin through Rebel Wilson mocking them when they were a captive audience. More of that won't go down well. Is it worth it? To me, no, to them with all the privileges it seems to be.

*When Diana's coffin made its journey to Althorp there were people lining the streets weeping and wailing out loud, it was awful, undignified, self indulgent.

Nothing would satisfy the public at that time but for the Queen to come back to London and present herself, presumably with the two boys, and the sodding flag to be lowered, for what purpose I don't know*

This (don't know why it won't turn bold). And I was appalled at the time that people thought it appropriate to clamour for the Queen to come back to London rather than stay at Balmoral with the boys to console them. There was a tabloid headline at the time saying something like "Ma'am, your people are suffering" and I was disgusted that anyone could think the country in general was suffering in comparison to W&H. (Should say upfront, I'm very pro-Royal, just not pro M&H.)

Golden it’s not turning bold because of the space between paragraphs.

I’m pro-monarchy - I like the institution. I don’t think very highly of the individuals, but they are doing an OK job.

Golden it’s not turning bold because of the space between paragraphs.

Ah, thanks!

I like some of the individuals a lot better than others. And HMQ is the epitome of "Keep calm and carry on", which I think is admirable - I do think Andrew is sleazy, but don't see why she should come out and condemn him, or what he is highly likely to have done, but hasn't been proved to.

I'm not saying she should come out and condemn him but she should have kept a tighter rein on him for years - all the dodgy deals, the dodgy behaviour, feathering his nest, same with Fergie. The queen should have nipped that in the bud and if she had perhaps the situation wouldn't have got to this. She's weak in my opinion or doesn't care about the optics so arrogant.

The queen should have nipped that in the bud and if she had perhaps the situation wouldn't have got to this.
I wonder how much she knew, before it was too late. He and (particularly) Fergie are a pair of loose cannons.

I'm sure she must care about how their behaviour looked, but anything she said about it publicly, or that leaked, would make it worse IMO. Arrogance is one way of looking at it; dignified silence is another.

I don't mean just the Epstein stuff, golden, he's been an arrogant, spoilt, money-grabbing brat all his life. He's been making side money deals by all accounts for decades. This type of behaviour she should have nipped in the bud as it happened, but she didn't. It's not something that she needed to speak about in public, she should have dealt with it before he got the reputation he has. This has been going on years.

Edward was another arrogant arse and Sophie another not above selling off the family for money. They're all greedy. However, the queen either had a word and they moderated their behaviour or they self-moderated. Fergie has a website selling merchandise based on her royal connections, same as H&M might do. It's monetising the monarchy and the queen seemingly condones it.

This type of behaviour she should have nipped in the bud as it happened, but she didn't.
I wonder what in fact she did say, in private, or what she could have done to prevent it.

Edward was another arrogant arse and Sophie another not above selling off the family for money.
Not saying this is wrong; I do think the jury's out on Edward and Sophie, who are likely to come to the fore now that the Firm has slimmed down rather more than PC meant it to!

I do think Fergie is tacky, tacky, tacky ...

BTW I've got somewhere to be so can't post any more now; not ducking out of responding!

Don't worry . I'm just saying in the absence of any news on H&M. Will try not to post more on the rest of them to keep thread on track.

Oscars tonight!

Imagine H&M going, and then suddenly Brad and Jen rocking up together.

Prince Phillip is photographed walking behind his sister's coffin when he was 14 or something like that.

But that was over 80 years ago. I’d like to think we’ve moved on a bit since then.

Allegedly Harry had hair thickening treatment in London. That could potentially be another revenue earner. Think in the vein of the well known sportsmen. Perhaps we could come up with a list of potential money spinners and send to the Palace for their approval.

I certainly agree that the whole Diana's death thing was ridiculous.

It was entertaining (to a nasty cynic* like myself) that people/newspapers who had been scathing about her the day before her death were sanctifying her the day after.

I remember reading the Guardian the day before which quoted (obviously gleefully) from the spoof diaries of Cherie Blair in - I think - Private Eye, which had said something along the lines of "If she was any more stupid you'd have to water her", then having to back-pedal frantically saying how super she was the next day.

Friends of mine who had had the bad luck to pick the date of her funeral (while planning their marriage 18 months before) as their wedding day were repeatedly asked if they were going to cancel it or ask people to attend in black!

Another friend who was a long- term member of the St John's Ambulance movement was on duty in London during the funeral.
He said that he was frightened for the first time when on duty during the broadcasting of Charles Spencer's speech as the mood of the crowd was turning so ugly in a "poor Diana, W & H; naughty royal family way".
He really felt that he was going to end up in the middle of a rioting crowd.

It was one of the most vulgar (in the true sense of the word) displays I've ever seen.

I used to be pro the RF but that changed very much in those days: not because the queen didn't do the right thing, but because people really didn't see how manipulated they'd been by a silly, publicity-hungry woman and, imo, they are being even more manipulated, especially by the generations of royals who've succeeded the queen, because they've discovered how easy it is to harness a mob with some Hallmark sentiments. It made me see that I'd been manipulated too in the past.

Sadly, they didn't realise that a mob mentality could take against them.

I've bobbed to princess Ann before now; I wouldn't curtsey to one of them these days, the queen included.

*Although even I wasn't cynical enough to use the tragic and violent death of one of my parents when I was in my teens to garner sympathy over 20 years later.

I beg her pardon: AnnE.

Like the old joke:

"What's your name?"

"Anne - with an "e" - Windsor"

"Right, Ms Withaney-Windsor, how can we help you?"

This is going to sound very hard hearted but the walking behind the coffin probably didn't have the effect that most people assume. The funeral of my DB who died in his early thirties passed by in a blur. It was the months and years later that were difficult. And the loss never goes away. Why would it? Meghan has tapped into this grief and has made Harry think of himself as the eternal victim.

Meghan has found Harry’s weak spot and is exploiting it for all she’s worth.

Imagine H&M going, and then suddenly Brad and Jen rocking up together.

Forgot to say, 7, that that would be really funny

We might at last see the true scale of MM's acting ability. The hard-done-by little face at having to face front - while on the balcony at Buckingham Palace - for the national anthem, or the usual adoring gaze at Haich would have nothing on it

I had that thought too derxa.

I think Brad and Jen rocking up together would push anyone off the front page. Wow. That would be a sight to behold.

How humiliating would that be for MM.. all preened and primed to be coy, fluttery, and adored.

Apparently Trevor got married again the other day, and in his wedding speech told the guests that his new wife was real royalty... oh boy!

He said that? Lol.

Seems Megs leaves very little goodwill in her wake.

Snap dextra and
I too lost a sibby... the overwhelm of grief still ambushes at unexpected times.
Keep on keeping on

oof coffee! MIAOW! (him, not you)

I just think, spade/digging/hole. They've really fucked up, I dont think the Great British Public is behind them any more, the military certainly not, and OMG the sheer embarassment of coming back to wave the flag at the Commonwealth service... What will they do if there are boos, or silence?