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Well here we are, another thread for those who wish to discuss. We are not nasty, but we do call account on what is going on, and and what taxpayers pay for.

The whole situation just feels wrong. From the moment they were engaged they have lurched from one pr car crash to another. They are virtue signaling hypocrites who have nothing to offer the world in real terms. She's a shameless social climbing grifter who only married him for the fame and the title and the money. She never wanted any of the responsibility of being a senior royal but she wanted the lavish lifestyle and the trappings that go with it. For all their bleating about wanting privacy if these two now rock up at the Oscars then they have proven that they intend to be spoilt celebrities. I'm disgusted that we are still paying for their 15 bodyguards.

As for Harry's strange and inappropriate soul baring speech at JP Morgan about his 7 years of therapy and his mental health issues I'm not sure why he was even there because he isn't a businessman or a financier, just an ex royal squaddie without any relevant qualifications. She is just an ex royal former D list Hollywood actress, nothing that makes her qualified to lecture the public or to rock up at the Oscars. If they are no longer royalty then I cant see either Hollywood or the business world having any time or sympathy for them.

Well not too many hours to go now to see if they do turn up at the Oscars after all. I can’t see it after the denial but who knows?

Ok I’m placing my bet here. I think on balance:

No to them being at Oscars
Yes to them being at Elton John’s after party

Anyone else want to place your own non-bet bet?

They've massively shot themselves in the foot by resigning from the Royal family. They would have had more to offer by way of experience etc if they had remained as working royals. People would have wanted them more at their events because they were still part of the RF. Now after bailing out after 2 years they won't have much to talk about once they've exhausted the 2 years of RF experience.

DandyDuchess that's what I think too. They'll be Elton's guests of honour.

Dandy I think you’re right - they will only go to the afterparties. It’s the pitch!

No I don't think they will attend because MM knows that Hollywood film people would be very offended at her appearance. She'll know that they see her as a blatant social climber so she will play the long game. She's angling for an invitation to next year's Oscars so she'll act like she's modest and unworthy to attend such a prestigious film event. She knows that she wouldn't be invited if she wasn't married to Harry.

@TheNavigator

Can I ask what Harry personally has experienced?

There are reports that the Queen has asked them to come back for an event to celebrate the Commonwealth. I suspect this is to ease the way for them to attend the upcoming wedding without looking like total pariahs. The service only lasts an hour !

I can't believe that they would turn up at the Oscars. If they do, and they come back at the Queen's invitation for the Commonwealth service then I think the monarchy has become a total joke and the Queen is making very poor decisions.

HMQ is going to great lengths to make them feel part of the family.

Makes them look even more like brats, especially Haich describing the relationship with the Queen as ‘OK’.

@MorningCalm I was referring to Harry talking about mental health, which we can all claim some experience of in one form or another. William has less experience of diversity issues than my cat, but it doesn't stop him opining. I just don't get how posters can faun over W& K and the York girls and criticise everything Harry does. They are all as bad as each other as far as I am concerned. I probably like H a bit more or at least testing the limits of his gilded cage. The rest of them are determined to stay on the gravy train at all costs - what is to admire about that?

Also, for all talk of hypocrisy when flights are involved private or not, this is modern life now. Life is global and as romantic the idea of steamers and trains might be they are too slow for most purposes.

I actually think that modern life has reduced the need for air travel---some things can be done remotely via teleconferencing. Also, it's possible to fly without taking a bloody private jet. Plenty of us plebs manage to do it.

i hope if they attend they wont do weird speeches at oscars, especially not about his mother's death.

We have no need for billionaires, or oligarchs, or philanthropy if everyone pays their share of tax, has equal opportunities, and we have a truly just and sustainable world.

I can't fully agree with this, because governments also sometimes allocate money poorly, ignore important stuff, have warped priorities. They also do not necessarily get it right every time.

I think the best solution is a mixture of a decent well funded state, and a vibrant philanthropic sector. Kind of like, most democracies need two debating chambers in order to thrive--the push-pull between the two helps to generate healthy discussion.

@TheNavigator And as I said to you above, the reason Willian was “opining” about diversity issues is because it was part of his job as BAFTA president. He was obliged to give a speech and diversity was the no 1 issue affecting the BAFTAs. If he was doing it for private cash, then we could compare him to Harry.

Also some rumblings about the protections officers having lost respect for the pair of them. Specific mention of the way M treats H. I think this sounds like someone in the know. Sorry, can't link, I forgot where I read it. It was random surfing.

I can't fully agree with this, because governments also sometimes allocate money poorly, ignore important stuff, have warped priorities. They also do not necessarily get it right every time.

I think the best solution is a mixture of a decent well funded state, and a vibrant philanthropic sector. Kind of like, most democracies need two debating chambers in order to thrive--the push-pull between the two helps to generate healthy discussion.

Excellent post Kokeshi I completely agree.

the Queen has asked them to come back for an event to celebrate the Commonwealth

That could also act as a test of the statements they've made about still being set on serving the Queen and the causes that they have committed to. Let's see if they will actually show up at a Commonwealth event when the Queen specifically asks them to.

@DandyDuchess, come on, of course he does it for the cash. It is his job that he is ridiculously overpaid for. It shows the absolute farce it all is when someone who has been born in to privilege is given a platform to lecture on a subject about which he has the square root of fuck all knowledge and experience. I don't get why people are so fauning over the royals - they are nonething special in terms of brains or talent, they just got lucky and will cling on to their wealth with all they've got.

TheNavigator it looks to me that you are against the monarchy as a whole, which ofc is a valid point, but not the main subject of the thread - maybe let’s keep this for mostly H&M commentary and if you start a monarchy pro and con thread I promise I’ll participate?

Great posts from Dateloaf and Kokeshi, interesting to consider another angle.

The general public don't realise how much charitable endeavour is carried out by unpaid volunteers, or low paid charity workers, and how much they would feel the difference if that suddenly stopped.

I'm not sure H&M will be at Elton's after party because he won't be there, he's attending himself and performing I think.

TheNavigator: "I just don't get how posters can faun over W& K and the York girls and criticise everything Harry does."

And: "It shows the absolute farce it all is when someone who has been born in to privilege is given a platform to lecture on a subject about which he has the square root of fuck all knowledge and experience."

I agree. I think the RF is a farce and this being highlighted more clearly in recent times and more often too. I just don't see how they can survive long term with everyone keeping a straight face.

7Worfs, yes, I'm also against them all as a whole.

Someone upthread said something about the queen making poor decisions. Time and again she's seems to be. I've often thought their advisors are poor or they don't pay them attention.

Side note: there was something in the DM about Andrew passing on the queen's sympathy messages to the Chinese Ambassador at some Chinese New Year party. PA attended a dinner for the Chinese ambassador to UK. It's like he's being sneaked in the back door. Carry on as normal.

I know she's not popular with a lot of people, but Camilla supports a lot of " unfashionable" charities. Osteoporosis, the elderly, domestic violence etc.