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Well here we are, another thread for those who wish to discuss. We are not nasty, but we do call account on what is going on, and and what taxpayers pay for.

Tootreeticki I think most in the RF had the measure of MM straight away, but were obliging Harry.
And they did many concessions, hoping for the best.

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Spring is Coming

A strong contender for thread title emerges!!

I suspect too that Harry was miffed when William and Kate didn’t fall on the ground in wonderment before Meghan. He clearly thinks she is absolutely amazing in every way. He married her in that first flush of intoxication and infatuation common to the first two years of a relationship. He couldn’t see her for stars. William probably saw her for what she is pretty quickly and felt uneasy. She is not Kate’s sort of person but I’m sure she tried very hard to get on with her. Because Harry has always got on really well with Kate, he probably believed that William would fall under Megan's spell and the four of them could be the best of friends and work together. I’m not sure that was ever Meghans plan, but she probably went along with it initially because it suited her purposes to do so. Very quickly the whole thing fell apart because the four of them really didn’t gel. The lack of chemistry is apparent from early on.
I think Harry is very bitter and angry and blames W and K and probably the wiser family for not taking to his wife and thinking she is the bees knees. Charles seems to have genuinely liked her, though what he feels now I suspect is something quite different.
Harry showed his ignorance of Ms true feelings and motivations with the ‘family she never had’ comment. She has a family, she just doesn’t like them much. She also probably was never really interested in fitting into his. M wanted him and what he offered to further her own image.

Wider not wiser!

Sunset yeah Andrew & co are hardly the wiser family

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Spring is Coming Titles are Going has a good ring to it

I like the simplicity of just 'Spring Is Coming', but then I'm hardly unbiased

By the way is everyone ok??

Tbh sleep I'm only surviving, I'm not sleeping enough... thank you for asking, no one else has...

Myimaginarycathasfleas I'm more timorous this time, I wasn't game to tag you a second time. Thanks for responding.

I thought it might be the times had changed, and as a divorcee, MM Is now allowed to get married in a Church of England. I know nothing about the workings of the Church of England: Catholic Church, now that's another matter.

Yes, since Charles was a widower, his previous marriage would've been no impediment.

Let's face it, she was hardly the ingenue, 19 year old virgin bride (like Diana).

She was 37ish when they married, and Haitch I think 35?

These are not children, these are grown up people with life experience and previous partners under their belts.

Which makes it so hard to understand the crash course they now seem to be on.

i think Harry is milking it too much about his mother's death.
on one of the tv programs he was smirking after talking about how her death affected him. it was quite weird.

I agree regarding monetizing Diana's death. If anything is likely to burn bridges with Charles and William (and maybe Diana's sisters?) that might do it. Charles because of guilt over the divorce, William because of privacy. I remember that tv program 20 years after Diana's accident where William said something to the effect of not having discussed it in public before and not necessarily ever again... you got the sense that while nota taboo subject in his family but certainly a very private subject.

i agree it should be a private subject. i hope they wont talk about it again.

Using your speech to talk about yourself, your therapy, your mother's death when you were 12 seems a very odd theme for a speech at a finance/investment type of conference. It would be OK at a mental health charity event where you are building rapport with participants - but it all seems a bit self indulgent if your new and independent life just means talking about yourself and your hard life.

It would be interesting to know what the reaction was. I would doubt that it was the sort of speech most were expecting - probably the delegates were expecting something relation to them and their event - probably something to do with charities/ethical living and climate, human rights, women's' empowerment etc Or a speech about their vision for their foundation. However it is not clear whether H&M currently have the type of team that have the expertise to advise them.

It must be odd for the conference delegates to have a wealthy Prince/duke, who doesn't need to work because he gets and allowance from daddy just turn up and talk about himself and his problems. It it something that H has done quite a lot recently - but I wonder how long there will be a market for this.

Fantastic post DateLoaf I agree! Too many essential services have been outsourced by government, and then left unsupported because of insufficient statutory funding.
And spot on: philanthropy Makes a few people feel good while it leaves many more under-served or without any support or services

This is the ‘high‘ H and M are riding.
This is all a dopamine hit for them.

I agree Sunset I think they all could see what M was but accommodations were made as H seemed happy. Tbh I don’t think H has a clear view of other people, (poorly developed theory of mind), and couldn’t understand why everyone didn’t love M as he did, and got into a strop when they didn’t bend over backwards as he has.

Yes Lunde i agree, it does seem self indulgent to go on about the ‘hard life’ as a privileged prince. I wonder how many of them were there to watch the train wreck... I mean bankers aren’t known for their feels.

I know he has 15 protection officers, but he’s swinging out there unprotected emotionally if he’s using these speeches as some kind of eviscerating therapy.

I respect William’s style of grief.. it’s tough losing a parent, but ‘death in the family’ is universal, and afaik not everyone has hot and cold running psychotherapists to help them out.. I think by acknowledging it and dealing with it privately, he helps others to do the same... after all, we all have to get on with things in life, trauma included.

Therapy and healing is private, internal, reflective (hard) work- not an after dinner petit four for the highest bidder.
This kind of bare it all talking is a distraction... IMO H is still not doing the real work he needs to do to heal.

With Charles and Camilla not being able to marry in church was because they were both divorced. Charles wasn't a widower in the traditional sense because he was divorced at the time of Diana's death.

I think allowances were made for MM because as pp said above, the RF got the measure of her early on. The RF couldn't stop the high speed wedding train but did all it could to keep H onside. The same tactic was used in HMQ's speech announcing the Sussexes new plans. The door was left open for Harry, that's all they can do now.

It must be awful for William and Diana's siblings to see Harry being flaunted to the highest bidder talking about Diana.

There’s speciation they will be at the oscars later Another nail in the coffin for Harry’s dignity if that’s true

Great posts above, especially:

Therapy and healing is private, internal, reflective (hard) work- not an after dinner petit four for the highest bidder.

and describing Haich’s latest speeches as self-indulgent is the most accurate description.

DM reporting today that H&M had dinner with J-Lo after the JPM summit, and “bonded instantly”.

The article also mentions rumours from The Post that the couple are now en route to the Oscars where they’ll present best film or best documentary award. What a rollercoaster!

I thought they'd turned down the Oscar presentation gig? Has something changed?

I still reckon they’ll be at an Oscar after party - Elton John’s.

And I wouldn’t be surprised if they do turn up at the Oscars. This is there big chance to do it, while they’re topical and still HRHs so they get the royal reverence.

Blimey! Some people have more front than Brighton. They both are very immune to people's opinions of them & massively lack social awareness.

I have to interject here, that surely for tin-ear, failing to read the room, the award has to go to William bleating about the lack of diversity at the Baftas. I mean, could he not hear himself? White male recipient of unimaginable unearned wealth and privilege, literally born to rule over us regardless of any ability or talent, thinks he has the right to lecture others on lack of diversity. At least H is talking about something he personally has experienced.

But William as president of BAFTA had a responsibility to address a major issue that was affecting the organisation. He wasn’t taking in an individual capacity. I cringed when I first heard he talked about diversity, for the reason you listed. But as there was a lot of criticism about the nominations this year being remarkably un-diverse, it would have been even more tone-deaf for William in his role to ignore it. He’d have received even more criticism for that - accused of having so much white privilege he doesn’t care or register if POC are unrecognised and the nominations whitewashed.