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M & H-as-I-call-him 16

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yolofish · 03/02/2020 21:41

Well here we are, another thread for those who wish to discuss. We are not nasty, but we do call account on what is going on, and and what taxpayers pay for.

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7Worfs · 07/02/2020 08:40

They don’t want peace and quiet - see the latest Instagram fiddling scandal.

Also I wouldn’t call them wealthy and compare them with self-made, talented people.

In their minds they want to be a power couple like Beyoncé and JayZ or the Clooneys and I’m sure they are baffled why they aren’t treated like them. Lol.

WinnieTheW0rm · 07/02/2020 08:56

Oh, I get that people might have three or more homes (but no longer be convincing as environmental campaigners)

What struck me was that their time would all be in N America (divided LA/Canada) and not, as described before, Britain and N America (unspecified location/s)

yolofish · 07/02/2020 08:59

You'd have to have a lot of brass neck to come to Bea's wedding in M's position especially. Hard to imagine her getting a warm welcome.

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Bluerussian · 07/02/2020 09:07

Why? The royal family haven't rejected Meghan, it's the press that stirred the pot.

I didn't know about the Instagram stuff but do now:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7868509/Did-Harry-Meghans-SussexRoyal-account-delete-negative-comments.html

How can we sift the fake from the real?
(Doesn't affect me because I don't do Instagram.)

yolofish · 07/02/2020 09:18

bluerussian dont you think it would be terribly embarassing all round? I can just imagine social awks around the stuff that M&H are reported to have said, and the stuff we know they actually did say - the ITV docu, H's speech at the Sentebale thing. I'd be embarassed to show my face.

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queenofarles · 07/02/2020 09:19

Exactly yolofish ofcourse they’d send her an invite but I doubt she’d be greeted with open arms and rightly so. I tried looking at it from her point of view. But after reading how they refused the Queens offer of not being working royals from the start in order to help them settle in, or how they had their choice of picking which charities, tours they’d like with no restrictions, or how Charles tried to make them feel more comfortable by paying for extra costs. Just how do you go back and pretend like nothing ever happened?

peridito · 07/02/2020 09:23

Bluerussian I so agree ,the media have really strirred the pot as you say and it becomes difficult to distinguish between fake and real .And a Chinese Whisper affect extends unsubstantiated gossip.I believe things if they are a direct quote and not taken out of context ,otherwise it's impossible to have any idea as to what's going on .

I think there was also a lot of reporting about photos of Harry and ? rinhos ? on Instagram and whether or not they were altered . Like you I'm not on Instagram so don't know the full details .

yolofish · 07/02/2020 09:26

queen that's what I mean... imagine if you (one) had said some horrible things about your inlaws, and it got back to them, and then you were all going to a lovely family wedding. I would not know where to put myself!

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SunsetBoulevard3 · 07/02/2020 09:30

I see they have been posting on instagram again, this time with photos of the NZ tour. I honestly don't know how they have the brass neck. They don't want to be working Royals, they hated the tours and the publicity. They've bailed and left the rest of the family shell shocked and with more of a work load to take up. Yet they have the gall to post these photos to keep themselves 'relevant'.
I agree that if M did go to the wedding it would be extremely uncomfortable for everyone. i think she's deliberately burned her boats so she won't be expected to go back and take part in family events.
They are just looking ridiculous now.

peridito · 07/02/2020 09:32

I keep going back to re read Harry's speech

if anyone is like me and wonders what he said here's the transcript

Good evening, and thank you for being here for Sentebale, a charity me and Prince Seeiso created back in 2006 to honor my mother’s legacy in supporting those affected by HIV and AIDS.
Before I begin, I must say that I can only imagine what you may have heard or perhaps read over the last few weeks.... So, I want you to hear the truth from me, as much as I can share–not as a prince, or a duke, but as Harry, the same person that many of you have watched grow up over the last 35 years–but with a clearer perspective.
^The UK is my home and a place that I love. That will never change.
I have grown up feeling support from so many of you, and I watched as you welcomed Meghan with open arms as you saw me find the love and happiness that I had hoped for all my life. Finally, the second son of Diana got hitched, hurray!^
I also know you’ve come to know me well enough over all these years to trust that the woman I chose as my wife upholds the same values as I do. And she does, and she’s the same woman I fell in love with. We both do everything we can to fly the flag and carry out our roles for this country with pride. Once Meghan and I were married, we were excited, we were hopeful, and we were here to serve.
For those reasons, it brings me great sadness that it has come to this. The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges. And I know I haven’t always gotten it right, but as far as this goes, there really was no other option.
^What I want to make clear is we’re not walking away, and we certainly aren’t walking away from you. Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the Commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, that wasn’t possible.
I’ve accepted this, knowing that it doesn’t change who I am or how committed I am. But I hope that helps you understand what it had to come to, that I would step my family back from all I have ever known, to take a step forward into what I hope can be a more peaceful life.
I was born into this life, and it is a great honor to serve my country and the queen^.
^When I lost my mum 23 years ago, you took me under your wing.
You’ve looked out for me for so long, but the media is a powerful force, and my hope is one day our collective support for each other can be more powerful because this is so much bigger than just us.
It has been our privilege to serve you, and we will continue to lead a life of service^.
It has also been a privilege to meet so many of you, and to feel your excitement for our son Archie, who saw snow for the first time the other day and thought it was bloody brilliant!
I will always have the utmost respect for my grandmother, my commander in chief, and I am incredibly grateful to her and the rest of my family, for the support they have shown Meghan and I over the last few months.
I will continue to be the same man who holds his country dear and dedicates his life to supporting the causes, charities and military communities that are so important to me.
Together, you have given me an education about living. And this role has taught me more about what is right and just than I could have ever imagined. We are taking a leap of faith - thank you for giving me the courage to take this next step.

People have differing views but personally I can't see anything there that would make it awkward for him and Meghan to visit the UK ,just the opposite really .
then there follows non personal remarks
So... welcome to Richard’s garden–minus the fountain!.....

rockingchaircandle · 07/02/2020 09:36

I think the father of the bride will provide the awkwardness!

The RF is a business and a family. M&H are still a part of that family despite the negotiations on the business side. They haven't done anything wrong, and as family I'm sure they'll be welcome at the wedding.

It will be twisted either way, if she goes or not!

GoFiguire · 07/02/2020 09:38

many years? Meghan has not been part of the RF for many years. That is part of the problem.

yolofish · 07/02/2020 09:39

"Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the Commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, that wasn’t possible."

This is the bit I find hard to reconcile.

They could have continued to serve without changing anything at all, they could have paid for their own travel/entourage/security/clothes etc from their own pockets if the public funding was such a moral issue to them.

Instead, 'without public funding' seems to mean the chance to make money by whatever means occurs to them.

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queenofarles · 07/02/2020 09:39

I also don’t believe that the US tabloids are any nicer than British Tabloids. So many sites and magazines are devoted to them.

big names like Madonna and Brad Pitt making fun of them.
Gary Janetti Insta page is so popular it’s getting its own show.

yolofish · 07/02/2020 09:40

And yes, the father of the bride is the other elephant in the room!

Poor Beatrice.

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peridito · 07/02/2020 09:43

I don't know if there are people who believe that Meghan has said horrible things about the RF or why they might think that ,personally I've not come across any horrible comments .Though I believe M's mother or friends said that she found the RF stifling ,though as I've said I rely on direct quotes from M to help me form an opinion .

H&M's first statement doesn't give me the impression that they wanted to stop being working Royals ,rather that they wanted to step back . I think it did bring them a lot of criticism for wanting to be "half in half out ".

We intend to step back as ‘senior’ members of the Royal Family, and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen. It is with your encouragement, particularly over the last few years, that we feel prepared to make this adjustment. We now plan to balance our time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour our duty to The Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages.

Butterymuffin · 07/02/2020 09:44

It will be twisted either way, if she goes or not!

Yes, if she goes it'll be 'how dare she strut back in after everything she's said', if she doesn't it'll be a 'snub' to Beatrice.

Said something like this up thread but I think she will end up with an engagement that unfortunately clashes and can't be moved so Harry will go alone. That is probably the face saving option all round. It'll need to be good-cause-related but that can probably be managed.

EdithWeston · 07/02/2020 09:45

"I think there was also a lot of reporting about photos of Harry and ? rinhos ? on Instagram and whether or not they were altered . Like you I'm not on Instagram so don't know the full details"

You don't need to be on Instagram to get the main features of this case.

There was a Sussex IG post of an elephant. Mail ran an article pointing out that that image was cropped (not showing a tether) and that the animal was drugged. PH sued and lost. The legal judgement phas been widely reported.

Rhubarbisevil · 07/02/2020 09:45

Let’s hope MrBeaToBe gives a happy and fulfilled marriage.

MrEug seems to manage to keep out of the spotlight. Is he still a Tequila Shot man?

yolofish · 07/02/2020 09:48

I dont think "surviving not thriving" helped.

You've had this whizzbang wedding, a warm welcome from the family, you've got a fabulous house being done up to your specifications, you've visited lots of wonderful places (and perhaps some less wonderful), you've got your husband and your baby, barely have to put your hand in your own pocket, and still you're only surviving.

Just think about that for a minute... how self-pitying. And if you were the very famous family who provided all that stuff, wouldnt you think it was a rather ungracious, ungrateful thing to say? I certainly would.

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Butterymuffin · 07/02/2020 09:50

what was that about buying cigarettes?!)

As I often disagree with you rocking I wanted to respond on this point to say I agree - that was bizarre in that LA Times article! I get the thing that Britain is still a class-shaped society but the example of it totally changing the way you bought cigarettes in a corner shop was weird! There would be so many better instances. (Plus of course it's not that the US is totally free of class stratifications and barriers, it's more that they take different forms, but...)

peridito · 07/02/2020 09:50

go I don't think Harry was suggesting that M.had been part of the RF for many years was he ?

He says many years of challenges The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges. I read that as a reference to his challenges ?

Butterymuffin · 07/02/2020 09:52

What was their budget again on which they were 'surviving, not thriving'?
And yes, I know it's a mental health issue rather than an income one, but it would still look bad to people who are struggling with both the stresses of life and the need to pay the bills.

Hepsibar · 07/02/2020 09:53

Must be wonderful living in a rural environment and a perfect place to bring up a child.

They have the seclusion they wanted. As with other wealthy folks they will have their share of help ... nanny, cooks, cleaners, security, gardeners, administrators and others.

EdithWeston · 07/02/2020 09:53

"They could have continued to serve without changing anything at all, they could have paid for their own travel/entourage/security/clothes etc from their own pockets if the public funding was such a moral issue to them."

It's not just who pays. It's also who they are representing. Being the Queen's representatives is not compatible with stepping back from Royal duties. So in what capacity would they appear?

I can see the role icw Invictus and Sentebale. But things like the military and Commonwealth appointments are because they represent HJQ, not personal endeavour. So they had to end. But of course they could devise their own non-Royal future roles (which is presumably what their new charitable entity will be about)

Agree it is a misjudgement to recycle pics from their Royal days, now that they're stepping out in a new direction