Harry and Meghan (15)

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No harm in having it ready for the next event/announcement...

Quite, I'm more of a lurker on these threads, but I do wonder if those being critical on these threads are staggeringly lacking in empathy. I would like to join in more but they are just no fun to read anymore.

I am totally against any personal attacks on M & H, but I do think their actions should be questioned

Agreed sunset!

Wendy it's like the end of the Mitchell and Webb sketch about the Apprentice where they refer to 'people who flatter themselves they're watching with a sense of irony'
'And how do these ironic non-idiot viewers show up in the ratings?'
'Just the same, my friend'

Here for anyone who doesn't know it

Quite, I'm more of a lurker on these threads, but I do wonder if those being critical on these threads are staggeringly lacking in empathy

Ive heard it all now.

Ignore that post, it's not what I meant to say

Sorry Jilly! Back on topic now. That's why I did the 'straw poll' post, to get back to some discussion of the Sussex future.

Great stuff butterymuffin

sunset has absolutely nailed it.

I'd add that the cat, food and whatever posts were the only thing that kept the last thread from descending into something deeply unpleasant. And that once those posters moved away, it survived solely on the vitriol directed towards them.

Yes but can we stop talking about the thread and get back to talking about the topic? Otherwise this will never end!

Meghan will not - there is no pattern in her life so far to suggest that she moves anywhere but forward

That's very perceptive. And could explain why she was so adamant she was ready for royal life. Never stop moving, never go back. Which might also bode ill for the Canada move. Once the relief of being out of the UK wears off, it'll be 'been there, done that'.

@SunsetBoulevard3

It's not really reconcilable! I do agree with lots of what you say. I do think I have a right to disagree, I do think it's better to use sources and/or think about why you feel a certain way. I just don't agree with the language you use to describe it, the same way you don't agree with mine.

In my last post (& others) I made it really clear I don't think you have to use sources! And to show me where I'd said 'you must use academic standards'. You can post your own way! but, in a discussion forum, it's common to have facts and opinions queried.

But, I don't think me challenging posts is trying to moderate. I do think so many people trying to silence any disagreement is. I've reported posts where it's been obviously against guidelines. Trying to dictate the terms of disagreement is trying to shut it down. Like you say if you think I've done something wrong, report it. It's tricky and posts have been deleted on both sides, as mentioned.

I think there's more of you, so it's easier to keep painting my views as the 'wrong think'. But, let's crack on. I will do my best to not to see the way I'm addressed as goady, if people can do the same for me.

Spot on @SunsetBoulevard3

A simple solution is for everyone to judge posts about his thread on their own merits and not lump them in with last posts. I didn’t see any criticism of Archie because I can’t have been on that thread, but there’s certainly been none on this thread, and it’s ridiculous that it’s been brought up here as a stick to best posters with. If something’s offensive or factually wrong, say so and/or report and move on.

It's a part of normal discussion to ask people you disagree with the basis of their opinion. I have no problem defending my opinions; I assume other posters can do the same. But I do make judgments based on whether someone's assertions are based on, say, the New York Times, or some random Meghan-hater on Twitter.

I think the paparazzi are going to get worse for them. Photos (natural ones) of them have sky rocketed since they left the "firm", around a £250,000 fee will be paid for an un staged photograph. Apparently 2 paparazzi now follow them around full time since they left.

some random Meghan-hater on Twitter

Literally no one here is agreeing with or approvingly quoting those people. Straw man argument. (Sorry, back to it!)

Where did Caitlyn Jenner make this statement about them moving to Malibu?

@DandyAndFine MM is suing the DM's publishers. Of all the 'sources' they're not exactly independent.

So we should only read and share Meg approved media outlets?

Harry dressing up in a nazi outfit proved that he isn’t the sharpest tool and showed his arrogance. They both lack insight and maturity, and as a pp said she thought she was going to be Diana and then found out she was going to be Fergie, Well she certainly more Fergie than Diana now.

peace I also agree. Rocking can you not see that you are being hypocritical?

Literally no one here is agreeing with or approvingly quoting those people. Straw man argument.

Nor did I say that anyone did. No one has cited the NY Times, either. It was a figure of speech type reference (a synecdoche, I think is the proper term).

Yes I wonder what Meghan thinks of Harry’s nazi outfit. I don’t believe it was mentioned in the speeches yesterday

Going back to your straw poll, Buttery

A - Absolutely not, they'll never come back
B - Yes but not yet, it's too soon
C - Yes but it'll just be Harry
D - They'll be back within the next month or two

I think Meghan thinks A at the moment. However we know she moves on easily. If things don't work out and she changes her mind she will be able to rationalise her decision to return.

Harry I believe will do what Meghan wants, or tells him he wants. But I think he thinks B.

The RF will be preparing a way back for them both, knowing that to have Harry they must at least look as though they want Meghan too. They are hoping for C.

I think D.

Never stop moving, never go back. Which might also bode ill for the Canada move. Once the relief of being out of the UK wears off, it'll be 'been there, done that'.

Indeed, someone on a previous thread described Meghan as a hustler - she wants to jump in, do the thing, get the (high) reward asap, move on to the next thing.
People like that are very resourceful, and usually do get far, depending on how ruthless they choose to be.
It's not a bad thing, but it can't ever work in the RF.

That’s interesting Beautiful.

I agree that the media intrusion will get worse.
They were partially protected by the press agreements here. I think the RF protocol was stifling for them but I don’t think the level of criticism they got in the press was worse than they’d get elsewhere. Again partly out of traditional agreements and respect for the RF.

There’s an American discussion forum led-by and for WOC that I’ve looked at in the past. While there is a lot of support for Meghan (and criticism of Kate and the RF) by one set of posters, there’s another set who intensely and vigorously criticise Meghan. A lot of it I saw was based on her having been or still being pro-actively “white presenting”.

Just like the criticism they’re getting about being on land stolen from indigenous people in Canada, there’s people in North America who are very critical of them just for different reasons than the criticism they got here.

cool
I think all of us have probably done stupid things when we were young. Things that make us cringe when we look back on them. Harry made mistakes, he has admitted that himself,. I don’t think it’s fair to keep bringing it up and saying he’s thick. He was silly , immature and made mistakes. Like we all do. If he was still doing those things it would be cause for concern.

The RF will be preparing a way back for them both, knowing that to have Harry they must at least look as though they want Meghan too. They are hoping for C.

I think D.

Agreed.