Harry and Meghan (15)

[Froq]

No harm in having it ready for the next event/announcement...

[7Worfs]

I think the major problem is that they have a very different view of what kind of life and lifestyle they want in order to achieve happiness.
This cannot be reconciled unless one of them makes a fundamental compromise in order to be together.
Or create a rota I suppose - 6 months in Hollywood, 6 months in Africa. That’s their best chance.

[rockingchaircandle]

I think your right the two were linked, @OVienna. The UK press were awful and the real problem. Meghan's dad was a tool for them. I can't believe he keeps getting a platform to harass her. Well I can, ratings and attempting to discredit her. Even without the harassment from her dad, the press have been awful.

[JeansNTees]

7worfs a rota system might work in the very short term, but if they want Archie in preschool from age 3 then they'd need to be settled by then.

[OVienna]

We don't share the same view on the scale of the nastiness of the coverage on Meghan overall, and relative to other royals. I understand why they (and media in other countries, very much so) have been opportunistic in terms of taking up the offer of TM's garbage. They are there to sell papers. He's accountable for his actions, as far as I am concerned and a tool - on that point we do agree for sure!

[Encyclo]

Wow TM's TMZ interview. He's really going for it. Not much time left at 75 years old and so on. He's got a point I suppose.

Can you link the interview?

[Froq]

I don’t imagine we’ll ever get the full story but I do agree with you OVienna that it isn’t as clear cut as the ‘mean old UK press made us leave’ narrative.

They married in May 18, and if recent reports are to be believed, Liz offered them the opportunity to walk away from it all around this time. They refused. Fast forward to Christmas and we’re hearing about ‘months of negotiations’ re them leaving.

What happened in such a short space of time to go from refusing the offer to leave and giving the engagement interview where they were keen to get stuck in to royal life to negotiating a way out?

I very much doubt it was a few months of press.

[rockingchaircandle]

@yolofish.

I missed this till I was reading the end of the last thread: "after which no blow is too low." Are you saying you think this, or other people do?

"now its all gone tits up some of them are blaming her directly. I dont know whether thats misogyny, racism, anti-Americanism" but it's their fault for being "bloody stupid" for opening themselves up to criticism.


So are you saying she deserves misogyny and racism? Because I think they are blows that are too low. It all seems very flippant.


@ajandjjmum
I linked to my source, feel free to follow up with your own research. You might be amazed, wait till you see the spin they can put on an avocado!

[Myimaginarycathasfleas]

I found this when googling for the spooning banana pic, it's a very different account of how they met from the one they gave at the engagement interview. I am not claiming this as evidence of anything, make of it what you will.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3892712/Love-struck-Prince-Harry-bombarded-Meghan-Markle-text-messages.html

[ajandjjmum]

@rockingchaircandle
Your link didn't work - I tried it several times before asking you (repeatedly) where to find the photos.
You really don't need to be so unpleasant - you have the photographs, have shared the comments, surely it's not asking for you to supply a working link?

[OVienna]

Froq, I agree. I can also see why she thought she could handle it, he thought she'd be fab, and then realised it wasn't going to work.

The other thing that has been going through my mind (since I am an American married to a Brit) is how much Harry understands about the day to day of living in Britain amongst the hoi polloi like us. What people really think and culturally how things would be perceived. He's in a bubble, with lots of people around him likely reluctant to contradict him, and his judgement on certain things might not be what someone like Meghan would need it to be to guide her well on how the British public might respond to certain things. This added with maybe a reluctance on the part of both of them to take advice generally would be a toxic combo.

[ajandjjmum]

Sorry folks - forgot the golden rule - scroll on by!

[Laiste]

DeTwamps - sticking my head above the parapet way too late but wanted to agree with you about Camilla. Queen Camilla? Ugh.

[ilovejeffgoldblum]

I don't agree with DeTwamps about Camilla, but I stand by her right to think that!

[yolofish]

rockingchair I dont personally think 'no blow is too low' no, but when you open yourself up for criticism you usually get it in spades.

I do think the pair of them were 'bloody stupid' - all they needed to do was sit back, take stock and work out how to get out of it all with the least possible hassle.

Instead of which, they threw a hissy fit and if you believe the paps were there because M is now fair game, then that's a case of straight out of the frying pan into the fire.

It should have been about the long game, rather than panicking or stropping.

[DandyAndFine]

I looked at that old article Myimaginarycathasfleas linked to above.

This is so what OT but all but one of the photos from. ‘Suits’ in the article made me cringe. A practically undressed woman while the man is a suit and tie, even if minus his jacket. Ugh. I get that he didn’t need to be undressed to have sex in the filing room but why did MM’s character have to have her top off? More realistic if she didn’t. Bloody TV programmes and their use of the partially-naked female golf to titillate.

[Butterymuffin]

rocking how many examples of the bump cradling / touching does the article you have mentioned analyse? And what source(s) do they come from?

[DandyAndFine]

Oh my I have to stop posting on my phone.
Female form not female golf

[TheMustressMhor]

I have to say that the bump-cradling did my head in.

[rockingchaircandle]

@ajandjjmum You really don't need to be so unpleasant ah, you didn't say the link didn't work, so I just directed you to it. No need to jump on the bandwagon. I have no idea why you think I've been unpleasant to you.


@yolofish they could well have been bloody stupid, but that doesn't mean they have opened themselves up to abuse. With abuse it's not the victims fault.

[Froq]

For those who read the blinds sites, posted today:

Blind Item #5
The alliterate actress turned royal turned whatever it is she is now wants to drop her lawsuit, but the tabloid isn't letting her off the hook. They don't even care if they lose at this point. They want their days in court and the spectacle of the trial.

[WendyMoiraAngelaDarling]

I wasn't particularly invested either way until I saw the engagement photo call photos and it was this one, like something off a red carpet that made me a bit . I'm going to say I found the double bump cradling to be really affected and I started to snigger a bit each time I saw her do it. I don't dislike MM I just think it's really obvious what she's about - building her own career and profile which is fine - and I only started thinking "oh come on!" after the surviving/thriving interview and the "no one has made me welcome oh and you're racist too! Byeeeeeeee!"

[Samcro]

the misogynist attitudes on this thread is abhorrent, rehashing old news about "bump cradling and coat flicking" are you so desperate to bring another woman down?

i put this just at the end of the last thread. why do you need another? to rehash the same stuff. as nothing has happened.

[lynsey91]

I don't get the hatred for Meghan at all. Kate cradled her bump but I don't remember seeing lots of hate for her. In fact the papers said it was sweet and touching and that she was protecting her unborn child. Those same papers then accused Meghan of doing it for attention

[rockingchaircandle]

People seem so sensitive about the way another woman touches her bump! It's either weird or malicious in my opinion. It does seem like just another stick to beat her with. You can see my comments on why I think it's harmful on the other thread. I don't want to have to get into it all again. It seemed to be done to death!


The headlines came from the DM I think, it was part of a longer article on Meghan's press coverage. I didn't save the link as I thought I'd posted it, but it was one of the top results when I googled. Have a look if you fancy, or don't

[theThreeofWeevils]

partially-naked female golf

Is that on C5?