Harry and Meghan (15)

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No harm in having it ready for the next event/announcement...

Hmmm... don't agree with that. I am not going to rake up history but there have been some seriously nasty posts about MM. Two I reported and they were removed straightaway. I was gobsmacked at the vitriol in them, the names she was called, the character assassination.

The pulled katie price and VB ones have always been as a result of something in the news.

We disagree, but that's fine. I'm one of a few posters on here who maybe bring some balance. Or if you like... you bring balance to us. Either way, it's OK.

About the 'hate'. No, it's not hate. It's discussion. I don't hate Meghan or harry, at all. I am fascinated and interested in it from a psychological perspective. I don;'t think because someone is a woman and has a baby she is off limits. If someone is a public figure and given very very large amounts of money, some of it from the public purse to live a very luxurious and privileged life, of course they are open to scrutiny. We expect the RF to uphold high standards and be seen to be working hard on behalf of the British public , not themselves.
Prince Andrew is an absolute disgrace, and I hope he gets his comeuppance. That does not detract from the fact I also believe M and H have behaved badly in a different way, and let the side down. They've let the public down, their families down and themselves. Yes, they have been subjected to awful press but much of it they brought on themselves through their own poor judgement and lack of ability or willingness to listen to advice. Full steam ahead because they thought they knew best. Well , they didn't. They've come a cropper.

I really do wish they could sort themselves out and be happy, truly. However I don't think either of them has very good judgement and they don't think anything through before they rush ahead .

It's not racist or hateful to have a judgement about a public figure which isn't positive.

So yolo when they don't get taxpayers money (thought they didn't now), they don't deserve to be fair game?

The hate is evidenced by the often gleeful and snarky tone, the reliance on many questionable sources, and the many posts saying to ignore those of us who defend Meghan. Many of the posts are deeply misogynistic, which is especially sad on a site that is predominately for women.

roussette you are also on the 'nice' thread regularly reporting back what's said on here - cba to scroll back and c&p. That's fine, that's your prerogative.

I made one post on the 'nice' thread, and yes I do read it, and all I keep reading on there is, to paraphrase, that those of us trying to talk about the topic are a nest of vipers.

I stand by the opinion that: you dont have to 'love' a member of the RF who you feel has behaved badly (and of course I include Andrew in that) but equally you don't have to think they are the Virgin Mary with a halo either.

as sunset says "It's not racist or hateful to have a judgement about a public figure which isn't positive."

They're still receiving enormous sums from PC from the Duchy estates. They have a free house which sits empty. All their costs are paid for. You think that means they are free agents? Harry will never be a free agent, he's the grandson of the Queen. All his life he will have to be mindful of that, whether or not he is a 'working' Royal. It's a responsibility and a duty.
Even if they self fund entirely in the future which is extremely doubtful, they will never truly be free citizens in the true sense.
With privilege comes responsibility.

Posts have been deleted from both sides of the discussion, and that is as it should be.

MN is impartial and has the Talk Guidelines in place so that the most unpleasant posts are removed.

Neither side is right, really. It is a topic for discussion and clearly many people are interested.

I started the first thread. I did not start it with the intention of vilifying anybody. To me, it was just a news story which invited comment.

The original OP said:

Harry and Meghan Resigning

See link. News just announced.

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/08/prince-harry-meghan-step-back-senior-members-royal-family-couple/

It does sound like they might be escaping from the public scrutiny and online abuse

And that is all my OP said.

x post roussette sorry but got to go and eat now and organise food for DD2 when she gets home late again.

Two I reported and they were removed straightaway. I was gobsmacked at the vitriol in them, the names she was called, the character assassination.

Quite rightly if they were that unpleasant, but I am responding to those who believe the entire discussion shouldn't be permitted and can't understand why it is being allowed.

Also I am not saying everyone is hateful, but certainly many people have been. And what about those posts making fun of Archie? How is that defensible at all?

The headlines came from the DM I think, it was part of a longer article on Meghan's press coverage. I didn't save the link as I thought I'd posted it, but it was one of the top results when I googled. Have a look if you fancy, or don't

Thanks rocking. So when you tell us all to be very careful and attentive to the sources we use, this is what you meant? No problem, just bear it in mind next time you're inclined to tick someone off for not bringing academic-level referencing to the party. So glad we're all on the same page with this!

I wonder then, if we criticise PA, which has been done on many threads on MN, is that hatred of men? Should he be given a free pass because he's a father? Oh wait, if he was mixed race, it would be absolutely fine to consort with a Paedolphile .

And what about those posts making fun of Archie? How is that defensible at all?

Who has defended this?

Framboise I stamped on any posts which made fun of Archie. Go back and look.

what about those posts making fun of Archie? How is that defensible at all?

Actually, there was some serious discussion of whether that was acceptable going forward and the consensus was that it wasn't, so at least one poster apologised for overstepping and it stopped. I know the anti-thread posters like to think everything here is a seething hotbed of frothing emotion with no reflection whatsoever, but it just isn't the case.!

Also I am not saying everyone is hateful, but certainly many people have been

Unnecessarily, IMO.

There would never have been a second thread if people hadn't decided that all of us who didn't think MM was wonderful needed to be challenged.

Roussette, rockingchaircandle and peridito did more to keep the threads going than anybody else.

I don’t see the hate either, at all. It’s definitely no more hate-filled than the Trump threads, and mumsnet has allowed about 98 of those threads to stand.

Really it just depends on whether or not you support and approve of the person that’s being talked about. That’s all the “hate” talk is about.

The hate is evidenced by the often gleeful and snarky tone

Oh, that can be found in the anti-thread posts too.

I do wish those posters would get rid of their mistaken notions about how they post in a completely different way here which is above reproach. It's not so. That can be seen from the fact that some of their posts have also been deleted for breaking Talk guidelines. Likewise this error in judgement that they use reputable sources and scrutinise them carefully, when actually there is little if anything to choose between anyone's use of sources.

The hate is evidenced by the often gleeful and snarky tone, the reliance on many questionable sources, and the many posts saying to ignore those of us who defend Meghan.

The tone and conduct of a small group of posters defending Meghan Markle has been thoroughly unpleasant and, I would say, hateful, towards any posters voicing criticism.

People have not been told to ignore them but it has been suggested by MNHQ that people can scroll past any posts, ANY posts, that they don't want to read. That is their right.

Whoa @SunsetBoulevard3 too far.
You can’t compare the PA situation to this one. And it’s provocative and unfair to suggest PA would get a pass for consorting with a paedophile if PA was mixed race. I think you’ve made some great points. No need to go low.

Mustress Well, my point is that there was stamping needed to be done in the first place.

The heart of the misogyny is not that she is a woman so should get no criticism. The core of the misogyny is that the main narrative, in the media, and on here is that the whole bloody mess is her fault.

I'm not going to talk about the Trump threads as I was told off good and proper about that. Needless to say what he and his Administration does affects the world.

I have never called anyone a nest of vipers though. Hate the term.

I think as more comes out about the loathsome Andrew, H&M are to be admired from distancing themselves from the shitshow. The queen has show questionable judgment at best (could well be questionable morals and ethics) so why should they be guided by what she says? I suspect/hope they loathe PA and want to distance themselves from a family that protects a vile, alleged sex offender.

Yes.

The group of posters who defend MM to the hilt have ensured that what I started as a simple chat topic has grown to fifteen threads.

And if anyone shows vitriol - anyone at all, anywhere, I report it.

I abandoned the whole series of threads when I felt I couldn't cope with the hatred shown me by some people.

I started a light-hearted thread about cats/dinners/chit-chat.

Much nicer. I think I shall return there.

I do not want another sleepless night.

They've let the public down, their families down and themselves.
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