Harry and Meghan (15)

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No harm in having it ready for the next event/announcement...

I was getting a bit confused by all the mention to a poster called Mischief. I’m assuming that’s you, @Myimaginarycathasfleas ?

Yep, that's me Dandy. It's grown out of MICHGF. I quite like it!

I answer to many nicknames picked up over the years, fleas is also me!

And I hold my hand up, I used the term "tantrums and tears". I'm not accusing them of doing either in public, I was just being glib and it does sound a bit mean. Happy to take it back.

Ah thank you for explaining Mischief

Although your random typo G in MICHGF did threaten to further confuse me

Fat fingers Dandy!

I think I've used "tantrums and hissy fits" too. Not sure I would take it back actually... fits with the childish attitude as I see it!

I don't think I was inaccurate actually. H-that's-what-I-call-him did say that there had been many tears at home, and we know he himself can be hotheaded so I don't doubt there have also been a few tantrums.

I was just trying to say, perhaps not very sensitively, that if they had been more rational and measured about things they might have found a workable solution.

I agree with you there Myimaginary about if they'd been more rational and measured. It all goes back to making those announcements on their website that have basically fallen through - stepping back but still being an active member of the RF for certain events, collaborating with them, etc. It does indicate impulsivity, arrogance etc and that H&M were holding the RF over a barrel to comply with what they wanted.

Who was behind this isn't clear - if it was M then H went along with it so both responsible. H seemed to have more respect for the institution and his family so that was a turnaround, unless he was pretending to have this respect all along. But what was preventing him taking a step back before he met M? He could have done it. Gone off to work in Africa, been more low key and married someone that wanted the same low key existence - turning up for family personal events, the odd major public event. This is why I'm surprised people say he wanted out of the RF for years before he met M. Did he? I never picked that up.

I was just trying to say, perhaps not very sensitively, that if they had been more rational and measured about things they might have found a workable solution.

I got panned for saying pretty much the same on the so-called 'nice' thread.

annie agree with your point about wanting out before he met M... yes he didnt like the press, but that's not quite the same as turning your back on all the stuff you did like (presumably some of the RF at least, the nice lifestyle, his military involvement...)

Harry said that there had been many tears at home ? As I said ,there is stuff I've missed !

Which then makes you think, as I have said all along, that he wanted to capitalise on his and mother's popularity, that while he wouldn't be king, he'd have the 'popular' vote and MM with her slick way of presenting on IG etc would be an asset and that the British public would love them and everything they did. But it didn't work out like that. The British public wasn't buying what they were trying to 'sell' us and as we're quite cynical I think we were quick to laugh at them and criticise, which they didn't like. H, to my mind, thought he was invincible, and that they'd never be questioned or criticised. What was that thing about they'll only have certain members of press at future events they do to control the tone of the press releases?

Mischief Fleas (as I’m now calling your - the wordplay of fleas/flees amuses me) - oh I make so many fat-fingered typos!!

Yolo, I think the RF gave shape and meaning to H's life and I 'think' the more fluid life he will have now will be a struggle for him to adapt to.

Yes, if you are the spare rather than the heir you must grow up always wondering if you are second best and wanting to be loved.

Then you fall in love with someone who is so radically different (no, not because she's mixed race) who doesnt understand either the role of the monarchy or the nature of the British, and I suppose if you are able to influenced (which I think he probably is) you go along with it.

I feel sorry for both of them, but also completely exasperated by the way they have behaved, to me it seems petulant and childish, and ungrateful for what they had. OK, maybe they didnt want what they had, but FGS go about things like an adult!

missed this as well "still being an active member of the RF for certain events" that does make them sound like cherry pickers .

I don't think that bit about "certain events" is on their website though ,it must be somewhere else .

I don't think it was worded like that peridito but that was the implication - stepping back but keeping certain events, half in half out that was widely interpreted as, which the queen said no to.

Keeping their patronages was mentioned as far as I remember. Well surely not President and Vice-President of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust, positions they were given as members of the RF. Why should they keep that? Sentabale and Invictus fine as he's known for them. The problem is not enough detail was given, people speculated as they were incensed at the cheek of it all and the whole thing was badly handled, probably by both sides.

he's definitely going to be bored. He wants a normal life but he can't have one. He can't just go to the gym or the local walmart and expect no selfies or paps. Yes it sucks but he needs to be realistic.

He'll find his life every bit as restrictive and potentially more so.

He'll be mainly a house husband while Meghan works, and accompany her as the back up. Whilst very modern and all that, I don't think that will suit him.

Harry said that there had been many tears at home?

It was in a spoken interview, peridito, Possibly the SA documentary? I can't remember exactly where. I have paraphrased (I think he referred to "my wife") but not changed the meaning.

The problem is not enough detail was given, people speculated as they were incensed at the cheek of it all and the whole thing was badly handled, probably by both sides

yes ,I understand what you're saying

Actually imaginary that rings a faint bell .

I seem to remember they still have the Commonwealth Trust patronage? maybe I've got it wrong.

Sentebale and Invictus I think they could still do.

Removal of the military patronages - could on the one hand be seen as vindictive by HMQ, but could also be seen as the services swear loyalty to the monarch, therefore if you dont want to be part of the monarchy then you say goodbye to them.

I would imagine that the loss of military roles hit H-as-I-call-him very hard, because the army seems from all reports to be where he found a role and was treated as 'one of the lads'.

Here you go peridito (it says below carve out a progressive new role within this institution, so staying in it but not to the extent they have been, stepping back in other words and presumably only doing certain events - backed up by "continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth and our patronages" - cherry picking as you say):

“After many months of reflection and internal discussions, we have chosen to make a transition this year in starting to carve out a progressive new role within this institution. We intend to step back as ‘senior’ members of the Royal Family, and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen. It is with your encouragement, particularly over the last few years, that we feel prepared to make this adjustment. We now plan to balance our time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour our duty to The Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages. This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity. We look forward to sharing the full details of this exciting next step in due course, as we continue to collaborate with Her Majesty The Queen, The Prince of Wales, The Duke of Cambridge, and all relevant parties. Until then, please accept our deepest thanks for your continued support.”

Didnt quite pan out that way tho

That “collaborate with the Queen” still kills me.
I can just see the hashtag: #rofacollab