Harry and Meghan (15)

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No harm in having it ready for the next event/announcement...

Kate's promoting the centre.She's drawing on her own experience, but essentially she's highlighting the need for children centres. Y'know, focusing on the charity at hand.

Yes ,as I said ,maybe I've missed stuff .I don't get the "moan about it all the time ". I'm not clued up/aware of all the moans .

worfs and Perf yes I totally get that's what Kate was doing and I'm very glad that her comments weren't taken out of context or spun .

I was getting a bit confused by all the mention to a poster called Mischief. I’m assuming that’s you, @Myimaginarycathasfleas ? Or is there a poster whose posts I can’t see?

yes Kate was relating her own experiences to the place where she was - support for mothers.

Meghan was talking about a totally different situation (mental health and media intrusion) to those experienced by people where she was (south Africa - poverty, rape, violence)

And calling herself their sister was very cringey - she's mixed race but she's not South African nor has she had any of the difficult experiences that they have to live with.

Having a new baby, especially a first newborn, is incredibly hard and isolating. Whether you're the future Queen, the Duchess of Sussex, or any woman without close family who are happy to stop by daily. Good for DOC for showing how important early support is.

peridito but even if Kate’s words were spun as an moan’, there would have been a legitimacy to them that I think would have been recognised. She was pretty isolated in Anglesey. Physically/geographically it not emotionally. It’s very different from saying you’re isolated in London, or even Windsor.

MyImaginary, I think you may be right in the self promotion. I hadn’t thought about it, but with the current social media environment, I guess people are cultivating an online presence which may or may not be close to reality. You may not even realise that you are doing it, you are just looking for nice pictures and stories that will look good.

If you are in the media spotlight, you are then more likely to get called out on it as it is more difficult to hide reality. Like private jets and environmental causes. Or cool shots where part of the picture has been edited. I guess when they are then called out on it, it feels like they are attacked. [Not saying that they haven’t been attached for other, unfair things]

I think M&H possibly had a more blurred line between themselves as (glamorous) individuals and their royal roles that W&K.

All quiet on the Western front I see!

I quite agree about feeling isolated when you've just had a baby .And I'm positive she said it to emphasise the value of the children's center and I'm sure it was her experience .

I posted that quote from Kate because I can see how it could have been taken out of context and built on .( Kate complains she was left alone with tiny baby ,no support from family etc )

Meghan made a remark ,totally different context and it was solely relating to her .She also made the not enough to survive ,have to thrive remark . And I can see how this can then become moaning all the time .

I don’t think those two comments have become ‘moaning all the time’. I think it’s her and Harry’s move away for the reasons stated that has given credence to people thinking she has complained. Or moaned, if you like. They literally voted with their feet.

I agree the photos of Catherine are in a completely different league. They are slightly out of focus so could be photos of any one of hundreds of women who bear a passing resemblance to her. Those of Meghan can be zoomed in on to provide more detail rather than less.

Again, on the continent so got to see them in "all their glory". They were plastered all over the front pages. The papers here (Germany) have page 1 girls rather than page 3!!

They are the only 2 comments that I'm aware of - as I've said I may have missed others.

H&M have moved away but I'm not aware that they stated reasons that could be regarded as complaining .

These quotes from their statement seem to be the most relevant as far as reasons/motives are concerned.
we have chosen to make a transition this year in starting to carve out a progressive new role within this institution.

"We intend to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen.

"This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity"

Meghan's friends have talked about how stifling and toxic she found the royal family. Presumably only revealed after they spent 20 million on her wedding.

I think they've lost all credibility now - with Harry highlighting that they're posting misleading photos, then attempting to stop the press from calling them out on it. They must have access to the best PR agents money can buy, but they're too arrogant to listen.

Ok ,Meghans friends have talked about how she found the RF stifling and toxic .

That wouldn't be enough for me to say that Meghan moans all the time .But I quite see how it might be for other people .We all have our own POV .

I can't actually think of any reason why Harry thought that it was a good idea to make an official complaint about the photo article? Is he truly living in such a bubble that he thought that he would automatically win his case and be the "victim" of the nasty press? If so he needs better advisers around him.

All his complaint has done is highlight that SussexRoyal sometimes posts carefully edited, misleading pictures to support its narrative. Something I would associate with Hollywood celebs but not really something you would expect of the RF.

I think that the upcoming court case against the DM over the letter is likely to be a huge mistake. I wonder if they are truly prepared to go to trial?

peridito Harry’s speech, and the interviews Meghan’s friends have given, and their interview to Tom Bradby certainly made it clear they don’t think they’re treated well. They’ve complained. Harry said there was no other option. It would be obtuse to take the fact that it was him alone speaking literally, and not to assume he was also speaking on behalf of Meghan. Another way of describing complaining ‘is ‘moaning’. I don’t know who precisely said she ‘moaned all the time’ but obviously it’s an expression of speech as no, she literally didn’t moan all the time, you’re right.

I think they are both very headstrong - or perhaps determined, to be polite. They obviously have access to good advice, but some reason don't want to take it.

M's friends are a bit too keen to mouth off - consider the good 'old' friends of H and W&C who never seem to talk about them, knowing that if they did they would be dropped pdq.

It must be weird for H to look at M's friends doing the talking and comparing them to his own friends. But he seems to have dropped many of them since his marriage (ok, that's gossip!).

I think he's changed a lot since he met M, he used to be pretty hail fellow well met, got on the with services types - Invictus etc, loved kids - Sentebale and various sports initiatives.

Now, he just seems uncomfortable and unhappy all the time...

If you look at the interview he did on the radio station about Meghan’s first Christmas with the RF, he seems like a completely different person to now. All the joy and exuberance have just vanished. He looks haunted these days.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2020013083975/prince-harry-canada-move-nacho-figueras/%3fviewas=amp

Looks like Harry’s friends are going to start talking now..

I re read Harry's speech www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/01/prince-harry-makes-first-post-departure-speech-at-charity-dinner
and yes ,there is a veiled complaint about the media . Which I think is justified and not moaning .

You're right I don't think anyone on this current thread has used the words " moans all the time " .The expression ( and it was of course only an expression )tantrums and tears .

No one seems to have said on the thread that they moan all the time and I haven't read that in any newspaper article either and I don't see anyone using the expression of tantrums and tears regarding them on this thread either.

Ok, one person said it, but as you say just an expression.