Harry and Meghan (15)

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No harm in having it ready for the next event/announcement...

There won't be a working model though will there.

The UK will not and in my view ought not to support any transnational royals.

Monarchy is an institution of a nation. The world has no need for roving unaligned princes.

• @Myimaginarycathasfleas how on earth would you be able to tell if they'd thought of that stuff yet or not?*

This is an example, rocking, of your tone. "How on earth...?". Can you not see it?

I've suggested what I think is happening. That's all. No need to be so aggressive.

Yes it’s the tone that’s the problem rocking.

Charlotte and Louis may not want to be working royals. George might not want to either, but he likely won't have much of a choice

Yes, I would never envy a Royal. I think it's always been hard to opt out, partly because of public opinion and partly because you're trained for it from a really early age. I think public opinion is changing, so it could be a good opportunity. Some may well thrive in the military as people have pointed out, I'm sure there's other things. Always used to be army & church for spares!

Canada has a semi detached relationship to "the Crown", don't think they have a role as such for a resident royal.

It was always going to have to be a move into private life.

I can’t see how Royals could be in the military in any serious capacity though. They need security all the time and their presence compromises their colleagues as it did with Harry. They can’t really be in danger either so to some extent it’s just just playing at the role isn’t it? They are never going to be a level with other colleagues.

@rocking great if I don’t need to you don’t NEED to at all, you’re choosing to come on a thread you apparently find abhorrent and taking upon yourself to morally police everyone.

I think poor George is stuck with the job.

Interesting to see what's in store for Charlotte as so far the roles of the royal women (other than HMQ) have been pretty traditional. I can see how challenging that might have been for MM, but she was never going to change things with her approach.

I sometimes wonder if Kate has ever thought "what did I get myself into?"

Oh rocking
Aren’t you exhausted yourself with all this nitpicking?

fleas I’m sure Kate has thought that, I think it’d be pretty hard not to. However, like all of us doing our normal jobs, she has probably put on a brave face and got on with it. I certainly don’t envy her but I am in awe of her

@JulietJanuary

The UK will not and in my view ought not to support any transnational royals. I think you've found a working model though. A big problem is that it's always been assumed that everyone would stay in the firm so it's inevitably messy when someone tries to opt out mid-contract as it were.

Could definitely work. I've no desire to pay for any more Royals then we have to! Train them that a 'working Royal' is one path, or you could choose to opt out with X conditions, Y amount of money and Z titles. (Although I'd merrily abolish titles!) I think security bills would be sticky for those closest to succession, maybe?

I think anyone whose had to get on with a job they don't like is admirable, and the ones who stand up and make changes when they think they have to. Both need courage.

I suppose the military connection is there to train them to understand the organisations in order to be a figurehead later on.

The last royal with "the vision thing" was Prince Albert. He was an exceptional person really.

The military thing is difficult as it's one thing that does seem to suit them, but security and the liability of them being captured is so risky. It must be frustrating for them so desk jobs etc would be hard for them.

The ones who are successful in more real life careers seen to be the ones who don't grow up in the spotlight but that's almost inevitable.

What is the current RF security bill a year? I think I read it's £100m and rising.

George, Charlotte and Louis will need more security as they grow up. And presumably Archie.

Can all the Royal children yet to be born - Harry's, Eugenie's, Beatrice's - expect a high level of security? It does all seem unsustainable, thinking about it.

SunsetBoulevard3 Tue 28-Jan-20 22:37:18
I can’t see how Royals could be in the military in any serious capacity though. They need security all the time and their presence compromises their colleagues as it did with Harry. They can’t really be in danger either so to some extent it’s just just playing at the role isn’t it? They are never going to be a level with other colleagues.
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Harry was, he was pulled out of his first term in Afghanistan because his presence could have put others in danger but next time around, his exact location was not revealed and he was a soldier the same as anyone else.

So was Prince Andrew, in the Navy, during the Falklands War.

Would you be able to share how you arrived at that conclusion? (If that's not too academic?!)

Do you mean why I think they haven't thought it through? Because I place myself in their position and remember being a first time mother myself. And I remember that when you have your first child you are very focused on their immediate needs but don't have an idea what their future needs might be. With subsequent children it's easier, you've already travelled that road, so to speak, but at their stage it's all new.

They won't be thinking about nursery, and making friends, and school just yet. But once they do, the logistical problems will start to appear.

I have hardly come up with anything new.

This is what the Queen's statement said, they can't be in and out.

For heavens sake ,posters say they want to move on but they don't

.You say you are going to scroll past posts but you don't .

You say posters should be kind to eachother but you're not .

You spend so much time criticising Rocking ,why don't you stop ?

You don't like her "tone" !! But spend so much time insisting that she demands academic level posts with references for everything and that she is
aggressively seeking to occupy the moral high
hectoring and bullying

Typical responses from Rocking are
Have I said 'you must use academic standards'? Apologies if I said that exactly, but when something seems bizarre I wonder why. I think this is a narrative people have run with me to complain that I'm patronising them or derailing.

Please can I ask that you don't bring this up unless you're willing to clarify. The way you went about this led to it being speculated that I'd sent you a nasty pm or that I'd used cancer to mock you. Both of which weren't true. I'm sure that wasn't your intention but you never cleared it up. If you don't want to now, it's fairer not to bring it back up

I don't understand why you think such language is haranguing ,bullying,hectoring ,aggresive ,patronising .

Fair enough, @Myimaginarycathasfleas, i can relate to your experience too. We were running day to day at first! I've friends who were very thorough though, even before they'd conceived their first born they'd planned most of it!

It does work itself out though for most people. I've had to move a lot, and we've revised plans on all those things as logistical problems appear. You're right they definitely do. They have a lot more in the way of resources as well, so it might be a struggle but hopefully they'll cope.

I think I'd probably start worrying for him a little later, when his role in the Royal Family comes up for discussion. Hopefully all sides in the RF will have done some hard thinking by then.

bluerussian
I thought Harry was pulled on his final mission because his position was compromised by being leaked? That’s why he left the Army.
Andrew so far as I understand from other posters was never in danger. Despite his claim to having been shot at.

Poppyfields I would think she has!

Can all the Royal children yet to be born - Harry's, Eugenie's, Beatrice's - expect a high level of security? It does all seem unsustainable, thinking about it.

I often think this. PC is right to want to address the slimming down issue. It has to be done before we are knee deep in royals who all need protecting.

I also wonder just how great the threat is. We'll never know of course, but I'd be interested to learn how many threats MI5 or the Met have actually had to deal with.