Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

The royal family

Prince Andrew 'fails to cooperate' with FBI

700 replies

CathyorClaire · 27/01/2020 18:50

www.thesun.co.uk/news/10832298/prince-andrew-provides-zero-cooperation-after-fbi-ask-to-interview-him-over-epstein-links/

No surprise there, then.

Do we think he'll hold out for the threatened subpoena or will the renewed public spotlight mean he jumps before he's pushed?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
11
diddl · 10/08/2021 11:16

"It says it all that he thought all the young girls floating around the mansions were 'staff'."

If he thought that there was nothing nefarious going on then I suppose that's plausible.

But if he knew that the young girls were giving massages (even if that was all that was involved) then that should have given him pause for thought.

It's hard to know if he just doesn't think!

diddl · 10/08/2021 11:19

"Makes me wonder if they believe they have some sort of evidence against him in particular which would also explain any attempts at a settlement."

I think he's maybe just easier to go after without being shut down immediately?

Roussette · 10/08/2021 11:53

If he thought that there was nothing nefarious going on then I suppose that's plausible

Maybe it's because I'm an old cynic ... some were as young as 14 and given the contents of Epsteins NY Mansion had a huge montage of breasts in the hall, and erotica and sexually suggestive statues and pictures everywhere...
I, personally, would be dubious.

CathyorClaire · 10/08/2021 12:45

I think he's maybe just easier to go after without being shut down immediately?

Given his access to the best lawyers money can buy he's no easier to go after than many of the others on Epstein's contacts list who will have the same. If anything being able to hide behind Mummy's skirts makes him an even harder target.

OP posts:
Plumtree391 · 10/08/2021 13:06

I doubt he has much to tell them.

He was friendly with Epstein and more friendly with Ghislane Maxwell, didn't believe that Epstein was guilty of the offence for which he served time. He accepted their hospitality occasionally, along with many others. Met quite a few people of influence who could have proved useful.

It's hardly worth a trip to the States to say that but I understand the FBI can ask questions here if they think it may be helpful.

diddl · 10/08/2021 13:31

@CathyorClaire

I think he's maybe just easier to go after without being shut down immediately?

Given his access to the best lawyers money can buy he's no easier to go after than many of the others on Epstein's contacts list who will have the same. If anything being able to hide behind Mummy's skirts makes him an even harder target.

Perhaps.

Other than JE & GM what other names have been in the news in connection with this?

Specifically like PA, said to have taken advantage of the girls?

Plumtree391 · 10/08/2021 13:54

I haven't heard any other names though I saw a documentary involving lots of people who were talking about having being guests of Epstein; however they were not well known to the general public even though they were quite influential in some areas.

Being a household name is not an enviable position.

diddl · 10/08/2021 14:05

@Plumtree391

I haven't heard any other names though I saw a documentary involving lots of people who were talking about having being guests of Epstein; however they were not well known to the general public even though they were quite influential in some areas.

Being a household name is not an enviable position.

Was that the Netflix one?
Plumtree391 · 10/08/2021 14:28

I can't remember, diddl.

Plumtree391 · 10/08/2021 14:43

PS: I don't think it was 'Filthy Rich' if that's what you mean.

diddl · 10/08/2021 14:48

@Plumtree391

PS: I don't think it was 'Filthy Rich' if that's what you mean.
I think that that's the one I've seen.
CathyorClaire · 10/08/2021 15:30

Other than JE & GM what other names have been in the news in connection with this?

Specifically like PA, said to have taken advantage of the girls?

This article names several men Virginia Giuffre has alleged abused her:

nypost.com/2019/08/09/jeffrey-epsteins-alleged-sex-slave-reveals-the-men-she-claims-she-was-forced-to-sleep-with/

OP posts:
Cacacoisfarraige · 10/08/2021 15:33

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Cacacoisfarraige · 10/08/2021 15:35

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Plumtree391 · 10/08/2021 18:27

diddl Tue 10-Aug-21 14:48:24
Plumtree391

PS: I don't think it was 'Filthy Rich' if that's what you mean.

I think that that's the one I've seen.
........
Following my earlier posting, I'm watching that now. I hadn't seen it before.

Epstein certainly had a lot of 'friends' in high places.

I didn't know Virginia Guiffre had sued someone before, someone who vehemently denied her allegations and sued her back.

It's interesting - and I don't usually like that sort of thing.

Serenster · 10/08/2021 19:49

@Plumtree391 not just anyone, she sued Alan Dershowitz, Harvard law professor and famous US lawyer, who has been involved in any number of celebrity cases. As you might imagine that lawsuit is bogged down in numerous procedural battles.

Which, to be honest, is what I expect will happen here. You can’t just sue someone in New York courts for actions that happened in the UK when the defendant still lives in the UK. Andrew’s lawyers will (quite properly, as a matter of law) claim that the New York court does not have jurisdiction in this matter. I suppose it’s quite possible that Andrew could also claim that in 2001, as an official trade envoy, he had diplomatic immunity at the time? Plenty of procedural attacks to raise, then. And even if the New York court decides it has jurisdiction and grants a judgment against him, if he has never submitted to its jurisdiction, it won’t be enforceable against him.

Given all this, which Ms Guiffre’s lawyers will obviously know, it is quite likely that the lawsuit has been filed to put pressure on the Prince to pay her a sum of money to make it go away. I guess it depends on how much he thinks he has a reputation worth saving? I mean I think he’s long past any kind of rehabilitation, personally, so in his shoes I’d probably not be minded to engage with the case. His ego may not help him decide to play the long game, however.

CathyorClaire · 10/08/2021 20:35

He's reported to want a return to royal duties and has been flying kites to that effect for over a year (see packing cupcakes for NHS workers during the first lockdown and jumping at the chance to be interviewed at church after DoEdinburgh's death).

I think up to this point he's believed he does have a reputation and a role that might be salvaged but surely even he can't kid himself after this. The only way back is for him to agree to live discussions with investigators and as he's blocked that route since the Newsnight interview it's hard to see a u-turn.

OP posts:
Plumtree391 · 10/08/2021 20:42

Serenster: not just anyone, she sued Alan Dershowitz.
.......
That's the one!

OverByYer · 10/08/2021 21:44

I think he’s in a tricky situation here.
As it’s a civil case it can be heard in his absence - so if he doesn’t go to the USA and defend himself he could be found guilty on the balance of probabilities and have to pay out.
But if he does go to the USA to defend this case then he could get picked up by the FBI and face criminal charges. Will be interesting to see how it pans out.
I bet he’s sweating a bit now.

diddl · 10/08/2021 21:52

If it was decided that he should pay-how would that be enforced?

Soggyday · 10/08/2021 21:53

I too, think he may have rediscovered his sweating abilities now.

OverByYer · 10/08/2021 21:58

@diddl

If it was decided that he should pay-how would that be enforced?
God knows but on Times radio we’re saying in the US it’s possible to sue foreign companies so there must be a way. Even if they don’t recover the money being found guilty will be enough to put a stop to him returning to public duties . I would hope
PurpleOkapi · 11/08/2021 00:14

@diddl

If it was decided that he should pay-how would that be enforced?
If he has any assets in the US, they could be seized and applied to the judgment. I don't know if he does or not. If he doesn't, then that's the end of it - civl judgments go unpaid all the time because they're uncollectible.

I haven't read the whole thread, but if I were his lawyer, I would strongly advise him not to cooperate with the FBI or anyone else so long as there was the possibility of a civil suit. There's no chance of extradition, because what he's accused of doing isn't illegal in the UK. Epstein is dead, and Maxwell's in jail awaiting trial, so there's no danger of anyone else being abused. There's no possible benefit to him from cooperating, and he'd be foolish to do so without a guarantee of criminal immunity. That wouldn't protect him from a civil case like the one just filed, but it would at least allow him to travel to other countries without the fear of extradition. Even with criminal immunity, any information he provided to the FBI could potentially be used against him in a civil case, so unless he really feels strongly about being free to travel, he's better off not doing it.

diddl · 11/08/2021 07:30

So you could say that the point is to keep it in the media & discredit him?