H & M - The Cat, The Barber and the Argyll Pheasant Pluckers

[TheMustressMhor]

I hope I've got what everyone wants in the title of this, the twelfth thread in the series.

Whenever I have thought about this man and him going to the wedding I have thought about my own Mum who I know for a fact could not and would not have come to that wedding. Watched by millions. All those royal family members, politicians and celebrities. I'd have asked her but I wouldn't have expected it. I think there's many people who couldn't have managed such an occasion no matter how much they loved their child,

OVienna I agree

Poor Guy. The stress must have been unbearable

I remember reading about the press before the wedding and I felt awful for MM at the time. It seemed awful for her.

I wonder why he would have been meeting PH for the first time on the wedding day

@Nikhedonia on his table, whilst he was sat using his laptop

Light-hearted, cheery, banter

I can see how that would be good, if you were forming a community around dissecting Downton Abbey.

But, you're spending 12 threads on a real person, with a real family. The speculation (which isn't really tasteful anyway!) has turned to harassment, lies and vitriol many times. I think your threads are being allowed to stand, but other posters should be able to contribute their opinions without the whining.

I reported posts about her mental health.

Find it interesting the idea that it is in any way significant that M chose to live with her dad as a teen. In my experience kids often love parents who are toxic and abusive just because they want and need that parent bond. My nephews have both gone through stages of wanting to live with their abusive alcoholic dad. They idolised him for years. He was a very attractive option when they didn't like the very reasonable rules my sister set in her household. They wanted and needed his love and care, they deserved that, and it's been heartbreaking to watch them slowly realise that he really doesn't give a shit about them, and in fact uses them to steal money from, to bolster his ego and to get at my sister.

The stupid thing is he legitimately thinks he is a good father. He would give an interview like this and really wholeheartedly believe he's great. He doesn't see the damage he has done. He doesn't see his choices have made his kids high risk and put his oldest into therapy. He doesn't realise his own kid is cutting and a suicide risk because of him. He thinks he's doing a really good job. And the really dumb thing is - if you didn't know better you would believe the facade he puts across. It's believable because he believes it. Doesn't make it true. And I'm very much not inclined to believe any parent who makes a docu like this is in any way a good parent - more than likely in fact that the estrangement is for very good reasons.

Bloody rude of Harry, telling him he should have stayed inside and not spoken to anyone.

Now I have no idea about the trip.

Everybody is panicking seriously, in the run up to that wedding. What a cloud and a shit show.

froq grim. He's clearly still getting poor advice! Someone should have said something!

If Harry really said that after he’d had a heart attack, shame on him.

“The Piers Show” !

Harry is coming across as a bit of an entitled p who gets overly annoyed every time his wife gets upset. Instead of expressing concern for his future FiL after a heart attack, he decides to (dare I use this term?) scold him? and give him a lecture on how he could have not brought a heart attack on himself, like it was intentional or something.

This after offering zero support?

I don't believe anything he is saying about the lead up to the wedding (apart from the heart attack, obvs)

How many adverts is this now?

Wow. This is a really sad programme.
I feel really sorry for the bloke.

Nik- you could well be right.

Hard to know what is true and what isn't. He is a bitter man but I understand that if all these things were said to him.
All very strange.

A lot Catherine ! Even for C5 this has to be a record.

I do not think that MM had any intention of having her father walk her down the aisle.

I think it would be fairly easy to prove if he had appropriate help and support dealing with the press or not Nikhedonia

Harry is coming across as a bit of an entitled p*

An entitled Prince?! No! Never!

@nerfballs
Why do you think Thomas Markle is toxic and abusive?

I think Meghan was a bit spoilt even as a child, and learnt to go to the parent which would benefit her the most.

Her parents needed to present a more united front to give her stronger boundaries. That way she would have grown up to be less entitled.

And I'm very much not inclined to believe any parent who makes a docu like this is in any way a good parent - more than likely in fact that the estrangement is for very good reasons.

Absolutely agree. Meghan would possibly get a lot of support on the "But we took you to Stately Homes" thread.