Harry and Meghan (and the Electric Car Market)

[TheMustressMhor]

…… with an occasional look at wild garlic.

Thanks to MrsHuggett for the thread title.

This is Thread Ten, unbelievably.

This is why I think the proof will be in the pudding.

I have stated before (soffy etc take note!) that I believe until action shows otherwise - not conjecture - that they:

Genuinely just want a life of supporting causes that resonate with them without the protocol or media scrutiny that comes with being a senior royal

That they feel the media is racist and biased and don't want to engage not from petulance but for their mental well being

That it isn't because there is a relationship fracture with William and Kate - they are just on different paths

That it's not about selling the RF without the duty - but they have to work so what's wrong with her doing voice overs for animal welfare projects etc

My only 'issue' is how they have gone about things - don't send out your own statement with a 10 min warning but rather work with the Firm - like any employee! Don't lecture people on something you don't apply to yourself (carbon footprint) and don't use South Africa as a backdrop for bleating about not thriving -a place where for many surviving is all they can do.

It's crass - that's my opinion and all I have wanted to comment on negatively / it doesn't mean I hate her, am racist or have no ability to see anything positive or be able to accept when I stand corrected.

So like any adult - I read, I consider, I sometimes respond (without being an asshole hopefully), I disagree and if it's out of order to me I say so.

So Expedia and now HSBC's marketing teams are having some fun!

I think William needs a relationship with Harry, they went through a lot together

apparently William and Harry have healed their rift

The article also says that Harry is still upset with his father

I didn’t even realise they had fallen out....

What @MissEliza said

So are the North American media just going to leave them alone unless invited to participate in their “work”? This seems highly unlikely. Their pictures will sell. Pictures of Archie will sell. It seems somewhat naive to think it’s only uk photographers who want pictures and the uk press that has an opinion. Diana wasn’t chased in Paris by the uk press. The world is interested.

Listening to that speech he is becoming more and more unlikable, petulant and self-serving. Clearly didn’t get his own way which I think is reasonable when I asked on the other thread just how was he going to spend his time how was he going to make money I don’t understand.

They want to control their media and live more private lives but in order to make money and he’s going to have to tout himself out as some sort of public speaker celebrity something and let’s face it she’s not exactly a fantastic actress and I think people would actually be reluctant to give her roles now if she was intending on returning to acting.

I remain convinced they could’ve done more good staying within the royal family and him particularly continuing with his charity and military patronages.

I think he’s going to deeply regret this in the future if he’s done it to step away from media scrutiny they’ve just brought it on themselves even more The media now has a new narrative to pursue and they will do it to within an inch of their lives

It’s just such an odd situation is such an odd thing for them to have done and it’s full of inconsistencies and just doesn’t seem to be very well thought through because they rushed it in an attempt to blindside the institution and to get their own way.

MeghanMountbattenSausage PA has been discussed in all the previous threads, and is definitely not condoned. The short answer is due to sub judice. Andrew will be on a very short leash. Harry wants to live his life independent from the RF, free to do whatever they want to earn money but still representing HMQ and that isn’t workable at all. Its setting a new precedent in royal/British history so there’s huge interest in what will happen, its unfolding in front of us and we’re interested. And he’s Diana’s son, hugely popular (Andrew never was), many of us have watched him grow up and don’t want to watch his life become a train wreck. I think part of the feeling toward MM is linked to what happened with Ed & Wallis, but also she is a giant tick box list of red flags.

His speech has made me sad. I’m rather cross that the BBC news interspersed their reporting with MM looking jubilant at Canada House, not helpful at all.

Did anyone else see the BBC chatting with two people outside Buck House this morninf? what was that man on about? inaccurate assumptions and all his interrupting too. rude.

Of course Harry isn’t happy with Charles. Someone had to take a stand on the future of Harry and Charles wanted Harry to take his share of the burden. When he didn’t want to Charles protected the monarchy and not Harry.

How can he talk about 'years of challenges and months of negotiations' - they haven't even been married for 2 years!

I believe Meghan has done what my narcissistic friend does and rewritten the story to suit her narrative. She didn't give royal life a fair chance; once the glamour of the princessey wedding and people cheering them in the streets was over she didn't fancy the ordinary duties of smiling and cutting ribbons. Without being paid! She wanted to get back to her Hollywood friends and sunshine and glamour and adoration. And big money. Nothing wrong with that in itself. But what she's done is made herself out to be a victim of the nasty press, the nasty Royal family and the British people. So Harry, her Prince, rescues his poor victimised wife...... Meghan gets what Meghan wants.

The day back in Britain and her visit to Canada House was her giving the metaphorical finger to the British people. The narcissist always wins, and always believe they are the victim.

Morning, all,

Quick summary on joining the new thread (for which I thank TheMustressMhor):

I feel sorry for Harry.
His happiness depends on making Meghan happy.
What would make MM happy is quite another matter and may in fact be the equivalent of solving Fermat's Theorem. Or some such.
Feeling sorry for Harry and the impact on HMQ, the DoE, the PoW and the Cambridges does not mean I excuse PA.
I have no views on electric cars but enjoy the jokes.
I do, however, have views about posters who burst in and tell us what we should or should not be posting.

And finally...

I missed the last West Coast Motors bus and consequently completely missed out on Mustress's gourmet roasted duck with fresh wild garlic.

I am definitely not OK.

I wish them well. I really hope it works out for him.

I have my doubts about her but they may be coloured by the press. I hope I'm wrong and it's all lies that we read.

It's sad everything he is having to give up but they definitely couldn't have their cake and eat it.

Can't see how press intrusion will be less though. If they stuck out life as royals, I am sure they could have done it in a way that interest in them would gradually wane.

But then I doubt Meghan wants to fade into oblivion.............

The BBC doesn’t have pix of Meghan in Canada so they used their most recent pix. Nothing wrong with that. She’s not with Harry at this painful time. That’s wrong too.

This is not an anti Meghan thread.

I for one have tried hard to be objective about her position and recognise that there's a lot we don't know. But there's a lot we do, and people are perfectly entitled to draw their own conclusions from what they see and read.

If posters want to advance what they see as Meghan's perspective then they should do so in a reasoned way and it will be debated along with everyone else's comments.

Slagging off others with a different point of view won't cut it.

Yes to BBC outside broadcast: The guy would not stop interrupting the woman. He was extremely reactive.

Come back @TheMustressMhor

Don’t be hounded off your own thread.

I think this thread is actually very insightful and interesting much of the time. It isn’t unbalanced and hateful.

Catherineof Aragon
I particularly enjoy your posts, not just here but on other threads. I agree with your analysis from last night.
Also SpanishLady and CurlyWurly

I am quite amazed at the twitter post from Selena’s husband. He’s got M’s number hasn’t he? Not afraid to say so either.

I really hope it’s true that Harry and William are in a better place.

It will be very interesting indeed to see if the world wakes up to what really seems to be going on in that marriage. There are many who subscribe to the ‘poor victims fleeing the country inhabited by racists and bullies’ narrative.

I am interested, fascinated but also deeply worried about what will come next for Harry’s sake.

I hope he's happy but I doubt it!

He's still too stuck in victim mode imo.

Supposedly still not made up with PC but he'll take the offered 2mill a year??!!

I think that sums him up!

@BubblesBuddy
Agreed re: the press.
They will have less control over them.
Of course they will have their Instagram / Omid Scobie / People magazine / Harper’s Bazaar to post their version, but there will be a free for all with everyone else.
Let’s face it, the DM will still be playing off Meghan against Kate. Georgraphical distance will make no odds, Meghan is click bait and that is a double edged sword. The Sussexes can monetise it, but they have to take on board the criticism too.

The irony is; when they took their 6 week break, there was not a peep about them in the British press. They have broken their own privacy and whipped up the media storm, All of this could have been carried out behind closed doors, and no one would have been any the wiser.
Who’s idea was it to do the wierd “we’re back’ visit to Canada house, release the statement and then for Meghan to bugger back off to the states. She gave the impression of not being interested in even giving it a go here, if they really wanted to support the Queen.

They’ve still got quite a few charities based in the UK.I've no doubt a Harry will honour his commitments, especially the sports ones and Invictus. I’m less sure about Meghan, she only has 4. I think she may quietly drop them.

Looks like Archie is going to be spending a lot of time with his nanny whilst his parents are travelling for work.

figgy I agree. How could H&M ever have a better platform than as members of the RF to support and promote the causes they keep saying are important to them?

I think it's easy to comment when you haven't come from a dysfunctional family. It's easy to assume things apply when they just don't.
She obviously has a dysfunctional family, but let's face it, so does he, more so probably because of the distorting factors of fame and huge wealth from birth.
When 2 people from toxic/dysfunctional backgrounds come together it can go 2 ways. Sometimes it's catastrophic and they are damaging to each other (like my own parents), their weaknesses work against each other and they become destructive. But, sometimes, it works the other way and their weakness complement each other, what they've been through helps them suport the other one.
This has been my experience with DH. We both had difficult, damaging families/experiences but it makes us stronger as a unit.
Maybe this is the case for H and M? We don't really know.

For the family that's ok. I wonder if SussexRoyal are behind it?

If it's true that William and Harry have healed their rift that is the best news ever. Catherine with follow his lead, and although we may never see the Fab Four again, it would be lovely if they could have a normal family relationship with the Sussexes staying with the Cambridges when they come to visit, Archie having cousins to play with etc.

I don't think Meghan is an awful person, she's very self involved and sounds like a nightmare to work for, but I imagine socially she's just fine.

Listening to that speech he is becoming more and more unlikable, petulant and self-serving.
That isn't how he came across to me in the speech. I was quite moved by it actually.

Clearly didn’t get his own way which I think is reasonable
I agree. He did come across as disappointed he didn't get what he wanted and I'm glad he didn't.

when I asked on the other thread just how was he going to spend his time how was he going to make money I don’t understand.
I don't think he's thought far ahead at all. I can see him involved in the series of TV programmes with Oprah about people overcoming extreme obstacles in their lives but what then?
I think he's given thought to what Meghan can do (and he thinks she'll have masses of voiceover work) but I can't see that satisfying her.

Them setting up a foundation is supposed to take in multi millions but isn't that supposed to be for charity rather than feathering their own nest?

Just storming/bursting in, not to make a comment obvs, but to tell you what you should be posting - I too have sympathy with Harry's position .He has lost his role in work/life .

Wow. This thread is like looking into the minds of a group of bitchy , bullying 14 year olds. It really is pack mentality at its worse

@Soffy

.Couldn't agree more. This and the previous threads are vitriolic, nasty, aimed at making it all M's fault and a complete character assassination of her. You all talk like Harry hasn't got a will, a brain, an ounce of backbone... he's wanted out for years, way before MM came on the scene, yet according to you lot, it's all her fault.

Horrible.