Harry and Meghan (and the Electric Car Market)

[TheMustressMhor]

…… with an occasional look at wild garlic.

Thanks to MrsHuggett for the thread title.

This is Thread Ten, unbelievably.

OVienna and I didn't even type garlic in my search just 'partridge recipes'.

Delia is recipe royalty.

Thanks for the link @TracyBeakerSoYeah I think I've walked past it many times just not paying attention to what it was. I use nettles and dandelion in soups so I'll keep a look out.

So you see, some of us know what we’re talking about.

GoFiguire

Many years ago DH and I were staying at a hotel in West Wales when Prince Edward turned up for a Duke of Edinburgh award thing. Our hotel was being used for the lunch. We hung around outside to see if we could see him and he gave me a lovely smile when he saw me take his photo. He seemed nice tbh.

No, not all; some of us have said from the start that Harry could have taken a stronger position, not least in avoiding a rushed marriage to someone he hardly knew. Among much else, he could also have avoided bringing an innocent child into this quite so fast and held back on supporting some of his wife's poorer attitudes

I've never heard such nonsense. A rushed marriage to someone he hardly knew? Where did you get that from? Do you know how well he knew her, how often he saw her? Nope, you don't.

Going by what you've said, I had a rushed marriage too. Met my DH in my early 30s, married in a year, children etc, been married over 30 years now. Like MM I didn't hang around having the children we wanted because of age. Not sure what's so wrong with that.

I also know nothing about MM's 'poorer attitudes'. You don't know her.

GoFigure not surprised. you can do a lot of damage with a sharp aioli. You would’t want one near your tweedy harrishole.

JulieWaltersSnaggedMyJumper

MaisWee you're welcome by the way........

eggandonion I think Prince John lived in Wood Farm, where Prince Philip now lives!

DD has worked for several D of E evening - one was at Windsor Castle where Sophie was hosting. DD had to meet her and take her through to the event, and she said she was lovely. At Buckingham Palace she was at an event hosted by Edward, and he came over to ask her how she thought it was going. She was well impressed that he was bothered what a young volunteer thought! So from those experiences, they may not have starlight sprinkles, but they're very likeable.

I am really bewildered to read that some people cannot discuss things unless there is an aura of strict solemnity throughout.

I confess I was amused when someone accidentally posted about electric cars on the tail-end of the last thread, and even more amused when MrsHuggett suggested incorporating this into the title of the next thread (this one.)

As for the menus - well - why not? Is it harmful? Does it detract from the general order of business? I think not.

It is surely more harmful for people to live such tight-lipped lives that they find it necessary to denigrate other people when a little repartee enters a discussion.

So, CatherineOfAragon I shall impart the Mhor household evening menu later on.

Those who are not interested can ignore that particular comment - just as I try to ignore comments which are generally unkind and utterly humourless.

A rushed marriage to someone he hardly knew? Where did you get that from?

I think it's well known that it was very quick actually...I'm sure I've read something that set out just how many times they could possibly have seen each other before the wedding and it really wasn't many. I also was quick to move in and get married to my DH but it wasn't anything like the same...I wasn't marrying into a job too, or a particularly complex family situation or into any scrutiny. I do think that it would have been much better if she could have had more of a understanding of what it all would have entailed before they actually married.

A rushed marriage to someone he hardly knew? Where did you get that from?

It's really not complicated; simply take the difference between the date they met and the one when she moved to the UK, subtract her known commitments elsewhere and consider their own comments on the subject. And while you're right that someone who doesn't know Meghan can't be aware of all her attitudes, we've certainly seen enough of the public ones to comment on them

Genuinely glad your own choice worked out, though - but then, perhaps you didn't come from two utterly dysfunctional and disparate backgrounds?

I think we barely know her and I wouldn't be making derogatory assumptions about someone I barely know.

MistressofMhor hear hear! Well said.

I read that HMQ avoids garlic simply as a kindness to the many people she has to meet and greet on a working day. Charles and Camilla do the same (Camilla found it particularly hard but finds solace in a crafty fag from time to time).

Mustress, I am also agog to know what is on the menu chez Mhor this evening. I must warn you, though, that it won't be as posh as *OVienna.
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DH has defrosted a partridge shot by his barber.

This is seriously impressive, OV. Your DH actually pays his barber to shoot the partridge. I cannot begin to imagine what other qualifications are required just to trim his hair.

Ever heard the expression 'you never get a second chance to make a first impression' Roussette? Applies to us all imo.

who’s married to Sophie, Claudia Winkleman’s sister if you care about pop culture.

This was supposed to be the reason that Giles Coren might know about more about royal circles and William's putative affair than one might think.
Apparently, his wife, Esther, is good friends with Claudia.
During the speculation, GC tweeted something like: "Everyone knows there was an affair, darling" which was later deleted.

However, GC can be an awful idiot in his writing, imo, and - again, allegedly - has had to ring restaurants he's been to in order to ask what he ate the night before as he'd found their wine list so tempting. So may be equally intemperate in his tweeting.

I know - you dreadful, vitriolic gossip, LaMars.
Ah well, I need a hobby and I can't ride a bike.

As to princess Michael, a princess First Name has to be born a princess. Like Beatrice, for example, as she's Andrew's daughter.
Those who gain the title by marriage should be princess husband's First Name, like princess Michael.
Despite its use in the media, Diana Spencer was never princess Diana. She was the princess of Wales or princess Charles.
I think that honour can be bestowed, but it's not automatic. At present, although the title she uses is duchess of Cambridge, Kate could be called princess William.

Well, I thought that Harry's speech was poignant, but also a bit un-self aware.

He drew a thread of 'Diana' throughout the speech and no doubt her life in the harsh spotlight (even if she sought it) and her tragic death have deeply affected him and his view of the world. No matter how a child loses a parent, it becomes part of who they are.

I guess I could be called part of the 'USA Diana Generation' where her activities and her fashions, the marriage, the children, and the divorce, etc were front and centre. I think perhaps Harry doesn't completely understand how much of the 'feeling' for him here is wrapped up in Diana's legacy. If not for that, he'd just be a handsome but vague 'member of the RF' and pretty much a person of no more interest in the US than Bea and Eugenie. After all, no one in the US really gives a fig about the other Royal Dukes or their families (with the exception of William, of course).

If he were to start to live a quiet life filled with 'good works', it would be in line with what the majority of those who give a shit about the RF in the US feel he should do as far as continuing his mother's legacy and we'd wish him well and be glad of the occasional photo. BUT, if he begins a relentless publicity campaign portraying himself and Meghan as 'hard done by' whilst touting them for their 'value' (as it were) to various projects (other than charities), it will be seen as a betrayal of his words about how his mother was hounded to her death. Even at her most publicity seeking, Diana never put herself out there for personal money-making purposes (to my knowledge).

And Meghan could (if she wished) call herself Princess Henry.

@MrsDoubtTried

but then why am I not surprised..?

"Diana Spencer was never princess Diana after she married prince Charles "

Of course Diana Spencer was never a princess and after marriage wasn't a Spencer.

For the pedantic. Like me.

I expect one can be created princess, as the Duke of Edinburgh was created a (British) Prince in 1957

I wouldn't be making derogatory assumptions about someone I barely know

Very wise - and probably the reason many of us stick with things we know to be so, usually because of something the couple have said or done themselves. Let's face it, nobody's forcing them to plaster themselves all over social media, to whine about their lives against a background of awful disadvantage, to turn their backs on things they claimed to care about or countless other things

All of these were choices ... and choices have consequences

And Meghan could (if she wished) call herself Princess Henry.

Exactly, Mustress.

Wonder if the inability to be princess Meghan (notwithstanding its inaccurate use occasionally) came as a shock.

What I’d love to know is the nitty gritty from the negotiation talks, the quid pro quo that went on. And more from the Queen’s side/people than Harry & Meghan’s. I suspect the thumb screws were put on Harry to produce a statement that Wills wasn’t bullying him and that they’re reconciled. The optics for the future king have to be preserved regardless of how off the mark any suggestions of bullying were. I wonder whether Harry making a joint statement and allegedly reconciling with Wills was worth half a year of Prince Charles continuing to find Harry or a full year and two bodyguards.