Harry and Meghan (and the Electric Car Market)

[TheMustressMhor]

…… with an occasional look at wild garlic.

Thanks to MrsHuggett for the thread title.

This is Thread Ten, unbelievably.

@SingingLily

I missed the last West Coast Motors bus and consequently completely missed out on Mustress's gourmet roasted duck with fresh wild garlic

That's a bit of luck, as DH finished it while I went to meet you off the non-existent bus.

I am quite amazed at the twitter post from Selena’s husband. He’s got M’s number hasn’t he? Not afraid to say so either.

I don’t get why people think this tweet refers to Meghan. In a further tweet below he goes on to say that of course, he can only speak for his experiences in the tech industry, which rather contradicts that claim?

Has Harry left the UK yet?

I think that person is trying to draw attention to the thread and kick off an argument which will result in multiple reports and the threads being deleted. I believe they did it on a previous one too, resulting in a final warning before deletion.

Why am I deleted? I just complained about that poster and wondered what MN were going to do about them as they are a serial offender.

There are people who aren't Meghan worshippers and aren't Meghan haters either. People who realise that what's written in the press or leaked by people with an agenda, is often bollocks. Harry has had issues with being in the public eye for years - from his own mouth. It was posted on another thread. He has mental health issues, again from his own mouth. He saw his mother hounded, eventually to her death. She too had made a decision to step back from public life and spoke about it in public.

Life and relationships are nuanced, and when a lot of people get together and egg each other on, that can be forgotten. So much of what's on these threads really is Chinese whispers and absolutely nothing more.

LaMarschallin
And it was mentioned above about Harry seeming "bi-polar". The description of his behaviour - sometimes joking with the press, sometimes being grumpy - seemed more what used to be called "moody". Mental health diagnoses ate now bandied around in the way a cold is called "flu" or a headache "a migraine". And is equally devaluing to those diagnoses.

Bipolar can be used to describe a behaviour and not just the disorder, I wasn’t suggesting PH actually suffers with a mental health illness. I didn’t use it lightly and ‘moody’ doesn’t quite match what I was looking for, perhaps ‘changable mood/relationship would have been a preferred way of putting it.

You're quite right, WendyMoira. We had a tense time of it about four threads ago while someone caused so many arguments that MNHQ did threaten to delete the thread.

I suggest, as others have suggested, that we simply decline to engage with this.

They will quickly become bored and desist.

I normally just ignore the person but the comment about the Queen was outrageous. Perhaps it was just an effort to get the thread pulled... or perhaps they really mean it. If it's the latter then they are scary.

I don’t get why people think this tweet refers to Meghan. In a further tweet below he goes on to say that of course, he can only speak for his experiences in the tech industry, which rather contradicts that claim?

But @Dongdingdong him saying he’s talking about the tech industry is his plausible deniability, provided of course he was indeed talking about Meghan. I read his tweets and it did seem a stretch to me to think it was about her, but people immediately seemed to think it was and he didn’t AFAIK directly deny it so I don’t know.

On the PA issue

Some of us grew up in a time where any young girl could expect to be catcalled if she walked past roadmenders or a building site, where she was called frigid or a prude if she responded unfavourably to sexual innuendo or even contact, where women were supposed to be grateful for male attention.

PA's conduct was gross, and I hope to see him called to account for any criminal activity, but labelling him a paedophile is inaccurate. Look closer to home at the older men in your own family before you start bandying around these terms.

My final word on a very distasteful subject.

What interests me now, to focus on purely factual matters, is what happens to the official duties Harry was responsible for - particularly the military ones. His role in the Marines for example was handed down from the Duke of Edinburgh - that’s a big deal. Is William going to do it? Surely he doesn’t have time to take on Harry’s duties as well as his own - unless he sheds some existing work? But the RF are short of people in that generation who have military experience. Andrew is out of action, seemingly permanently. Edward is the only other possibility but given that he seems to have ducked out of the military at the first possible opportunity he may not be quite the right person ... and a bit of a downer for the armed services to go from Prince Philip to Harry to Edward ...
I wonder whether Bea and Eug will start doing official duties? Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think they’ve got an official portfolio at the moment ... and presumably Edward’s children will now have to grow up to take more of a public role than had perhaps previously been envisaged.

Serena's husband is clearly trying to cover up what he really means but yes, its about Meghan and he's definitely got her sussed. Meghan's behaviour at that match re: photographs and having a whole area to herself was just cringe worthy. And yet they can't understand the negative press!

when is Harry leaving us? There should be a crowd outside singing "so long farewell..."

Re: the other Royals, I see Lady Louise gradually having more of a role. She's accompanied Sophie a few times so I think it is preparation. I don't see her having a large role but she could do a bit here and there.

She's 16, so by the time she's in her 20s she could have some responsibilities of her own, maybe a few patronages, but like I said not a full time royal, maybe part time as she's a more junior member.

She could be a bit like princess alexandra or the gloucesters maybe.

Iamdobby63

Fair enough. Of course, you're right - people can exhibit bi-polar traits without suffering from a bi-polar disorder.

Ok all?

In fact don't bother answering . It's clear some poster's are not.

This continual 'You all love PA!! WHHHYYYYYYY are they so many less posts about PA??!' Is becoming tedious.

One dimension that is overlooked in this ridiculous focus competition, is that it's pretty impossible to examine the PA saga without touching on the subject of child exploitation, with linked themes of sexual abuse and MN is predominantly frequented by women who have had some quite troubling personal experiences of similar in their own lives.

Quite understandably many of them are less comfortable examining the subject as it is rather close to home for them and will avoid talking about the PA debacle or end up hiding the thread.

Also he has not been convicted of anything. And assuming he was guilty, neither is he a paedophile according to the strict definition of what a paedophile is.

But anyone who wants to start a thread about PA (as opposed to coming here to tell us off) feel free.

Waiting...

ElloBrian “what happens to the official duties Harry was responsible for - particularly the military ones” I’ll do it, happy to spend my time inspecting Royal Marines.

I read his tweets and it did seem a stretch to me to think it was about her, but people immediately seemed to think it was and he didn’t AFAIK directly deny it so I don’t know.

That's what I thought. Most of the comments underneath the tweet were referencing Meghan. If it wasn't actually about her then you'd have thought that he would have deleted it immediately, rather than invite speculation about a close friend. I think it's either about her or, more likely, they aren't close with Meghan any more and aren't fussed about any confusion.

I'm also sick of all the posters calling us misogynists for daring to speculate that the male may be the victim here. Lots of us have seen situations like this. Anyway, it's not baseless speculation, there have been plenty of old friends and colleagues of Meghan happy to openly talk about her behaviour and ambition...she posted her rings back to her last husband for goodness sake...it's not like we're just making it up.

Yes Sophie has def been gently introducing Louise to public duties.

I’ll do it, happy to spend my time inspecting Royal Marines.

I'm also available to join you, should you need any help.

By women some of whom have had some quite troubling experiences.

And there not they

Brain fog this morning.

I normally just ignore the person but the comment about the Queen was outrageous. Perhaps it was just an effort to get the thread pulled... or perhaps they really mean it. If it's the latter then they are scary.

I believe it was just an attempt to get the thread pulled. They were the worst offender out of those a few threads back who seemed hell bent on getting the thread pulled. Once the poster in question was ignored it all died down. I suggest we do the same here

I wonder how much the younger members of the RF want to incorporate royal duties into their lives?

If Viscount Severn and Lady Louise want to have careers, can they, realistically, undertake royal duties as well?

I was under the impression that Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie had jobs and, in that sense, supported themselves.

How are their employers going to like it when they suddenly announce that they have a community centre to open on behalf of the Queen, so will be off work on Thursday?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/20/royal-megxit-deal-good-everyone-except-prince-harry/amp/

Interesting piece in the Telegraph.

@Myimaginarycathasfleas one of the big problems with PA’s behaviour isn’t just his interest in teenage girls (and I think we know he did more than catcall them ....) What’s crucial and of legal interest is the very important fact that he was associating with a known sex offender who targeted vulnerable underage women and trafficked and pimped them out. Associating in a way that could be viewed as giving kudos to and enabling Epstein. I seriously doubt most of the older men in our collective families could be accused of that. An ignorant and highly selective comparison to make and the kind that does implicitly read as defending PA.

what happens to the official duties Harry was responsible for - particularly the military ones” I’ll do it, happy to spend my time inspecting Royal Marines

We could perhaps all do it as a jobshare? Will there be tea and cake after inspection?