Harry and Meghan resigning Act 5 *MNHQ edited title*

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I’m not the original OP of the series. That credit must go to @TheMustressMhor
I just stepped in when the last thread filled up with no replacement

There is still an appetite for discussion / gossip depending on your POV.
I asked for MN to put it in the Royal Family topic as the subject is no longer headline news; but still ticking along. I think those people who are interested will find it and add their comments regardless of its location.

She was 36 when she died... I miss her despite how much trouble she was

Been lurking on these threads since the beginning, can't believe we've got this far!

Anyway: has anyone watched the video Harry posted this evening about the upcoming Invictus Games?

Did anybody notice that he was subtitled 'Duke of Sussex' and not 'HRH Duke of Sussex'?

Maybe a clue as to what HM has decided... it's very odd for an official video clip to not use his full title. No?

I can't help wondering what their staff must be feeling. It must be very unsettling for them. Presumably they will need to hire people able to work in Canada. Where does that leave their UK staff?

Good point . I guess that’s part of what needs to be worked out.

I would imagine their PR people in the UK have plenty other irons in the fire, regardless of what a shit show it has been - will be translated into 'crisis management skills'.

For other staff - domestic, chauffeurs, nannies etc god knows - maybe they will be offered alternative employment within the RF, or maybe they will be out? And I would assume, given the short length of the marriage, maybe little built up in the way of redundancy?

I agree OVienna hence the caveat that they set up in Africa. But not in the "Canada model" currently proposed, more genuine altruistic works.
I haven't seen any indication she's likely to follow in her father's footsteps.

I thought Diana was mid 40's when she died too! Can't believe she was only 36. That's really surprised me.

I felt like going to Bradford today to wave a flag for Kate and William. What is all this doing to me ?!
I just felt a sudden wave of pride in my home county .Maybe not as glitzy as LA or pristine as awesome as Vancouver Island.But at least they think it's worth a visit.
I hope Kate got home in time to cuddle her children,kick off her heels and chill.

Piers trump is my pal Morgan is a total bastard, can’t stand him.
I agree that William probably told Harry to slow down and get to know Meghan better, that why they fell out, hence William’s expression in the photo of Archie’s christening.
I doubt think William, or Kate if she had the same misgivings, will take any pleasure from being proved right about Meghan, her true character and her intentions. The red flags were clearly there, Harry just didn’t want to see them, but others probably did. I feel sorry for Meghan’s dad, I always thought Harry was a polite , kind person, but not visiting the father of your fiancé was not polite or kind. I have read that he had spoken to Mr Markle on the phone , but surely he could have visited him, no lack of money to stop him.

I felt like going to Bradford today to wave a flag for Kate and William. What is all this doing to me ?! I did too. They must have been worried about booing.

Why would anyone boo Kate and William? I should think they will be even more popular now.

Now if Meghan went to Bradford...…..

I was also happy to see Will and Kate's Bradford trip go well. I can imagine they were worried slightly of public reception of then given the recent news.

I think Williams advice if slow down is fine, they didn't really date long at all. I think if my brother said "Swans I'm going to marry this woman I've known 18months" even I would be reply "you sure about this, it hasn't been long?

"Funny how everyone talks about Harry following his mother's coffin.
William wasn't that much older and had to do the same."

I did so here, because this a thread about Harry.

Far from booing it looks like they got a great turn out and very warm welcome.I think a lot of people in places like Bradford -not without it's problems of course -really are down to earth and resent the 'everyone in Britain 'is racist ' label.It's pretty insulting when there are so many grassroots projects working hard for communities and cultures together.So for them to get this visit,especially now meant a great deal.

William suffered the same trauma as his brother. He was only 2 years older than Harry and I think that there was a lot of pressure to be a big brother to Harry. I believe W was sent back to Eton only a week or two after his mother's death.

However William does not get treated as "the bereaved son" in the same way as Harry. Harry always seems to have been treated more gently and allowances made while William was expected to get on with it. I remember that William was actually criticised by some when he issued a letter to certain paparazzi demand that they cease harassing 14 month old Prince George when one stalked and jumped out of a bush, scaring the nanny. I can only imagine the sympathy that Harry and Meghan would get (by invoking Diana) if the paps were stalking and approaching Archie.

I imagine that it must be hugely stressful for William trying to introduce his children to royal life - which he knows he must - yet fearing for their safety. The Christmas church walk must have been stressful.

Âtre there any Canadians around who can explain this please
from the main Canadian newspaper

But this country's unique monarchy, and its delicate yet essential place in our constitutional system, means that a royal resident – the prince is sixth in the line of succession – is not something that Canada can allow. It breaks an unspoken constitutional taboo

The editorial said Canada's relationship to the monarchy was different from Britain's, adding: 'Our royals don't live here. They reign from a distance. Close to our hearts, far from our hearths.

'Canadians like their monarchy, and visits by the Queen and other members of the Royal Family tend to produce outpourings of public enthusiasm.

But the royals should not 'set up a home on the premises', it said.

'Princes are not shipped over here when no useful duties can be found for them on the other side of the Atlantic.

'Canada welcomes people of all faiths, nationalities and races, but if you're a senior member of our Royal Family, this country cannot become your home.'

How can it have a monarch but not want titles or royal people there.
Genuinely confused (not disagreeing with them)

I think the legacy of seeing the boy behind the coffin is that we want his happiness now.

That's not a free pass for bad behaviour, it's a (non-specific, vaguely maternal) hope that he finds happiness.

Not aimed at William here, because thus thread is not about him. But that same sentence could equallymapply yo him. And he has a 17 year relationship/marriage and three young children. The hope isn't expressed directly about him, because it no longer needs to be

@Curly. Canadians like the pomp and ceremony of a visit now and again, they just about accept the Queen as their head of state because that's their history. They don't want to foot any bill, and like many other countries in the commonwealth like the comfortable distance of the monarch and their family living elsewhere because they (Canada) are "technically" a Independent country.

In a nutshell the King's son living in your back garden in a granny flat doesn't shout out "seperated". More half in half out, keeping the monarch happy.

How can it have a monarch but not want titles or royal people there

I'm not Canadian but my Uncle was. I think there is a 1919 Act called the "Nickel Resolution" or some such that means foreign Governments and in particular the Queen of England can't confer a title on a Canadian citizen, so by implication anyone becoming a Canadian citizen can't use a title.

The only person allowed to use a title in Canada is the Queen.

I think the purpose of the Act is to say that whilst Canada is a Commonwealth Country and recognises the Monarchy of the Queen they are also at the same time independent of the UK. Conferring titles would imply that Canada is still somehow part of the UK

However William does not get treated as "the bereaved son" in the same way as Harry.

Maybe because he doesn't mention it as much as Harry.
Harry needs to realise that there is such a thing as compassion fatigue.

I think Kate and William will have had a huge boost from Megxit.

As people’s reactions are coming in; after the initial “great, enjoy your freedom” the reactions are now definitely negative or deafeningly silent.

I actually think Meghan is fucked.

She has no place in the UK, even as a part-time Royal (and this is even before the court case against the MoS with her father as star witness)
I don’t think Thomas Markle will deliberately shaft her, he’s done some idiotic things like the staged photos, but he’s always said he loves her and hopes they’ll be reconciled.

Canada will have her, but I suspect more as a private citizen. It would appear they do not appreciate the flaunting of titles; royals are acceptable in a guest capacity only. So basically Harry and by extend Meghan cannot live there long term unless they relinquish their titles.
The Canadians will be as delighted to pay for their security as we are. (Not).

Finally the US. Not one supportive tweet from her Alist bffs.
It’s said that some of her US representatives have dropped.

Harry will always have a place in the UK, but not with Meghan; he will be forgiven, He also has Africa as a bolt hole as he genuinely loves it.

And then that leaves poor baby Archie. Hopefully blissfully unaware.

Royal or not - you can’t just rock up to Canada and demand they let to stay. They have rules you know...

I also think Meghan is fucked - but she's a survivor and will probably claw her way up somehow via the US chat show route.

Harry, not so much... I think he will end up coming back to the UK very chastened. Which is awful where there are children involved.

'Princes are not shipped over here when no useful duties can be found for them on the other side of the Atlantic.

But that's not what's happening, though, is it? The Queen and Prince Charles, we gather, would prefer it if Harry stayed in the UK, where there is useful work for him, if he chooses to pursue it. I think his work with veterans has been very worthwhile, and also his AIDS charity in Southern Africa. He could also take on a role with the Prince's Trust, with a view to one day taking it over from Charles.

But by doing a runner with Archie, Meghan pretty much has him over a barrel. Assuming she doesn't intend to come back to the UK, he has to choose between following Meghan wherever she goes, or being an absent father, with his son growing up on a different continent.