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What happens when the queen dies?

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Bibs2014 · 13/01/2017 20:14

I know that. Harley's becomes king etc but what happens to the others? Will they be left money/homes/? Do they inherit anything? Is the queen allowed to leave them royal 'stuff'?

Might be a bit random but I just thought of it Grin

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ragdoll700 · 13/01/2017 21:29

Banks and the London Stock Exchange will be closed and the BBC will reportedly suspend all comedy shows

Galdos · 13/01/2017 21:30

Seriously though, the present Queen has been a model of tact and diplomacy, and helped keep alive the notion of the sovereign (toothless and powerless, but visible) at the apex of the constitutional order. Will Charles be the same? The runes aren't wholly positive, and expect some constitutional shenanigans when the Queen dies. Charles has pretty openly expressed frustration at his role ('spidery letters') and his becoming monarch may exacerbate matters. We have been used to over 60 years of HM's grace and discretion, and the slightest change of style will be pounced on by anyone seeking a change in the constitution. And since we have an 'unwritten' constitution (untrue: but key elements are matters of convention rather than constitutional law) one can expect some changes.

There will be those who urge 'the will of the people' and demand more direct democratic input unmediated (or diluted) by any apparent royal influence. While philosophically laudable, perhaps, such agitations would only mask the true tyranny, which is that the House of Commons rules us all, even if the MPs of the majority party secured fewer votes than others, and irrespective of how extreme, and contrary to public opinion, the policies of the ruling party may be. A true democracy should reflect the wishes and aspirations of all the citizens, and that is not achieved by 'first past the post.' That system has the advantage of certainty, but the disadvantage of dogma.

On the Queen's death, lobby vigorously for proportional representation. It is, in essence, a noble English tradition. Lord Halifax, over 300 years ago, argued for government to be a matter of 'trimming', to catch the wind of popular opinion without the vagaries and unreason of the vocal and articulate minority.

OnyK · 13/01/2017 21:31

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but maybe The Queen is Dead will top the charts and The Smiths will reform for a comeback tour? Morrissey will then become a judge on The Voice!

DanGleballs · 13/01/2017 21:32

Duty is everything to the Queen, having lived through the crisis caused by her uncle. She is a committed Christian and has made a solemn promise to God to serve her country to the end. I wish I had such a strong faith as someone brought up as Christian but never found a personal faith

I'm not convinced how good a monarch Charles will be but I guess we will find out in the fullness of time.

I will be sad when she goes. She did her very best to be a good Queen and we can't ask more than that.

diddl · 13/01/2017 21:33

"It's a bit weird to give him a name that he will have to change, if they knew Charles would become George they could have called him something else and just let him become king real name"

Why would he have to change his name?

pithivier · 13/01/2017 21:34

Am I the only person on MN who was alive when King George VI was on the throne. We got a day off school when he died and we were going to the cinema, but it was closed

Perfectlypurple · 13/01/2017 21:35

He doesn't have to, but he can if he wants

bibbitybobbityyhat · 13/01/2017 21:35

If you were an adult and fully remember Diana's death, you've just had the tiniest glimpse of what it will be like when the Queen dies.

jeanne16 · 13/01/2017 21:37

The Queen Mother settled a significant amount of money on each of her great-grandchildren, bypassing her children and grand-children. So they are all pretty well off. Of course William and Harry also inherited Diana's £17m divorce settlement.

PausingFlatly · 13/01/2017 21:38

Lots of well-meaning republicans campaign passionately to get rid of the monarchy, without a concrete proposal of what to replace it with ("minor detail, can sort that out later").

The morning after the vote, it transpires they're each expecting something different. And some power-grabbing opportunist sails in to offer "unity and hope" in a time of uncertainty, and a bright, shiny new constitution of which no one has quite read the small print...

That's what I fear, anyway.

MrEBear · 13/01/2017 21:38

Would we get a day off for the Coronation as well as the funeral?

I can't imagine Charles as anything other than King Charles - I guess it will be up to him if he wants to use a different name.

Elizabeth is the Queens name but I think she is known as Lillibet or something to the family. Other thing to remember when she was born her father was Duke of York - not destined to be King - so in effect she was born into the same position as Princess Beatrice.

Bibs2014 · 13/01/2017 21:39

Jeanne - where did the queen mother's money come from?

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Bibs2014 · 13/01/2017 21:40

All this stuff about the funeral, getting a day off, etc, and I just wanna know about the money GrinGrinGrinGrin

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Pluto30 · 13/01/2017 21:42

I also thought that Charles was keen on becoming King...

I'm in Australia. Lots of people love the royals here, but our PM wants to have another Republic referendum when the Queen dies, as he's a staunch republican. I'm sure Parliament will squash it though. Grin

DanGleballs · 13/01/2017 21:42

You will never know about the money, sorry to piss on your cornflakes.

Riversleep · 13/01/2017 21:42

If you've got Netflix, 'The Crown' goes through the name thing briefly. They have a regnal name and a real name. The Queen chose to keep Elizabeth.

Bibs2014 · 13/01/2017 21:43

Denge - Grin

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MrEBear · 13/01/2017 21:43

Meant to say thanks for the giggle at King Harley - that has got some kind of pearly King in my head!!

DanGleballs · 13/01/2017 21:44

The Queen Mother was in debt. The Queen paid everything off. Too much gambling, alcohol and inability to live within her reduced means apparently.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/01/2017 21:48

PausingFlatly - Lots of well-meaning republicans campaign passionately to get rid of the monarchy, without a concrete proposal of what to replace it with ("minor detail, can sort that out later").

The morning after the vote, it transpires they're each expecting something different. And some power-grabbing opportunist sails in to offer "unity and hope" in a time of uncertainty, and a bright, shiny new constitution of which no one has quite read the small print...

That's what I fear, anyway.

Come now! Surely nobody would propose a huge, earthshaking political change without carefully thinking through what they would do if they won? Grin (It's grin or scream.)

TheElephantofSurprise · 13/01/2017 21:54

Duty is everything to the Queen, having lived through the crisis caused by her uncle. She is a committed Christian and has made a solemn promise to God to serve her country to the end...I will be sad when she goes. She did her very best to be a good Queen and we can't ask more than that.

As above. We will be sad. We will remember all her attributes. Then we will get on with having a King. George is his real name, by the way. 'Charles Philip Arthur George' isn't he?

DanGleballs · 13/01/2017 21:55

Presidents Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron or May? I would rather the Queen thank you. As a country we don't seem to be very good at voting in trustworthy, likeable leaders.

atheistmantis · 13/01/2017 21:55

Onyk yes, I thought that as well. Beat you to it Grin

RancidOldHag · 13/01/2017 21:57

I though the aversion to another King Charles was sod all to do with reparations of I of II, and everything you do with whether he would be III or IV (Bonnie Prince Charlie having already been III, according to some)

I suspect III for a Charles, given that current Elizabeth is universally II.

DanGleballs · 13/01/2017 21:57

Having a monarchy does seem to be going against democracy but it has worked perfectly well for the last 100 years or so.