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AIBU - Neighbour wars over our cats

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ParsleyCake · 05/06/2016 21:22

Our neighbour is a single mother who works full time and came home to find our cat had come into her kitchen. Her daughter (aged probably 7-10 ) was already home from school and in the house.

A few hours ago she came into our garden through the open gate while we had a friend round to celebrate our baby's first birthday and were having a drink in the garden while he played on the grass. She apologised for disturbing us and explained how she had found the cat in her kitchen, and that her daughter had serious asthma problems which meant it was dangerous for a cat to be in the house like that. She was very polite at first, though she didn't stay that way. We asked her which of our three cats it was, as we thought it was most likely it was our youngest cat as she goes into our friends house down the street sometimes. She just repeated her story - I suppose this meant she wasn't sure. At this point I explained to her that if it was our youngest cat I would catch her and do my best to keep her indoors, however our older 2 cats need to get out as they fight if kept confined. My partner asked whether she could close her kitchen window, pointing out (politely) that it was the only window (just because of how wide it opens) in her house (which has many windows, it's not like it's a one bed flat) where a cat could get in. At this she got angry, saying she shouldn't need to keep her window closed. I basically said that no, that's true but she moved into a neighbourhood full of cats (I mean it's all families in 2/3 bed houses with gardens) so it's sensible to take precautions and after all, I think it's a simpler and more reasonable situation than to ask us to get rid of our cat or keep them indoors where they would fight. I said it more nicely than that obviously. We've lived here two years and she moved in a couple of months ago.She said she wasn't asking us to do anything she was telling us the situation and we could do what we wanted but she would call cat protection (not that they deal with things like that!) if it happened again. She kept repeating everything and was getting rude and sweary and we tried to be reasonable but she wasn't listening to us. She stormed off to take her washing off the line and began loudly b**ing about us to the woman who lives in the next house over. That woman also hates us as I have a hearing problem and apparently 'ignored' her when she was speaking to me.

I just don't know what to do. Keeping cats who fight shut in a house with a one year old is just not an option. We moved to this big house with a garden precisely because we needed more space for the cats and were very happy until this woman kicked off. It's such a simple solution to just not leave her kitchen window wide open - she could still open it as much as 6 inches and our cats couldn't get in, but instead she's kicking up a fuss. Our cats are friendly but before we started letting them out there was a huge feral ginger which would pee everywhere and go into the houses and wreck furniture. Our cats chased him off. So obviously this is a neighbourhood full of cats and it's just our luck that it's our cat who went into this woman's house.

This lady is not a great neighbour either, she has very loud late night parties, at the last one there was one man shouting he was going to 'blow the whole street up' and they were in their garden and in the street as well as partying in the house.she has screaming matches with her ex husband all the time. My partner and I moved here to get away from that kind of thing as we lived in a rougher area before. We're not well off ourselves, before you think we are snobs or anything like that. When we decided to have a baby we moved to this nice area full of families and a good school.
I feel like I'm not being unreasonable, what do you think? We both get anxiety and to be perfectly honest this conflict has me seriously considering moving house as this woman was talking about getting my partner beaten up.

OP posts:
ReggaeShark · 06/06/2016 00:29

Exactly Steppemum once OP'S cat is kept indoors (seriously?), a vacancy is created for another kitchen trespasser. OP, buy her a cat deterrent thing if she is still refusing to sort her windows.

ElegantDream · 06/06/2016 00:32

You can diy it for under £100.

I'll take hideously ugly - I don't see it, but that's up to you. I find it preferable to the alternatives. And the ugliness (which it actually isn't) affects me, not other people.

Yes other cats could get in, but the op can only control her own cat (or not). Cats are territorial and tend to stick to their areas, so it's less likely to be another cat.

I don't put the catproofing up just for 'the sake of my cat, I put it up for the sake of my neighbours as well.

As for everyone who owns cats needing it... I agree - but that begins with the likes of me doing it and others following suit Wink

ElegantDream · 06/06/2016 00:34

And if a storm takes out the wire, I will repair it Confused like any storm damage.

6cats3gingerkittens · 06/06/2016 01:46

Pay for a window screen for your neighbour and mentally tell her to fuck off.

Spartak · 06/06/2016 02:02

That cat proofing mesh if put on top of a standard 6'6" fence would require planning permission. Worth bearing in mind if you are considering spending a bit of money on it.

StUmbrageinSkelt · 06/06/2016 03:48

We have a cat caboodle with an extension with a tree in it.

catmax.com.au/

Not the prettiest thing in the garden but I prefer that to wandering moggies.

Atenco · 06/06/2016 04:34

if it weren't the OP's cats, it will be someone else's. Actually water spray is a good cat deterent. The neighbour should teach her child to spray whatever cat comes in the window with water.

ElegantDream · 06/06/2016 07:32

You can sit the bracket at a height suitable so the height of the internal high point is at a suitable height. The important fact is that the cat can't navigate climbing upside down on the mesh. Obviously, the higher the better, but it can go on a 5ft fence. You have to make sure there is nothing then (like a bench or table) that the cat can stand on and jump up.

steppemum · 06/06/2016 07:46

well, I couldn't easily remove a section of my 'fence' as it is a 6 foot high solid wall.

nope, still don't get it. Ridiculous overkill in my opinion.
I stood at my bedroom window looking int my garden and tried to imagine it this morning and just laughed. There are so many trees and obstacles. I love the 'just make sure there isn't anything the cat can jump up on' Right, so that would be the playhouse, chicken run, greenhouse, compost heap, shed, 2 large trees, 6 or 7 large bush/trees that are probably strong enough for a determined cat, the frame thing that has the wisteria on it, the covered seat - I could go on.

Seriously, this would only work if I roofed the garden with netting.

and, as I keep saying, no point anyway, as SOMEONE ELSE'S cat will simple take over the territory of this one and then start coming in through the neighbour's window.

Seriously, if my child had bad asthma, who would I want to take responsibility for her not being exposed to cat fur? All the local cat owners, plus random strays? Or me. Her parent. Who just has to have a bit of mesh, or close the window?

Peppermintea · 06/06/2016 09:43

Much easier to tell your neighbour to get one of these mesh cat screens and put it on her wide open downstairs window to prevent all neighbourhood cats coming in than every household with a cat in the vicinity making an eyesore of their garden and spending thousands in the process. The argument of cat vs child's health doesn't stand. People have pets and people are allergic to pets. No this case it's asthma. Surely the neighbour would want to take responsibility for her child's health and erm, close her downstairs window? Or keep it open but have a small mesh cover? OP can't be the only person around where she lives with cats.

It all comes back to the simple categorisation of pets. Cats are free roaming and don't need to be contained. The neighbour lives under this regulation and has done her entire life. She takes responsibility to keep herself away from cats of she chooses. OP is allowed to keep a cat and keep it humanely by not keeping it locked inside where she has already says it becomes distressed.

This must be a wind up.

LifeIsGoodish · 06/06/2016 09:58

How ridiculous. I've had strange cats come into my house, so I shooed them out and rearranged things to stop them coming in again. Wouldn't even occur to me to complain to the neighbour - even if I knew whose cat it was.

A ribbon stretched across the window opening, with tassels of silvery present-wrapping ribbon spiralling down from it will keep most cats out.

dividedmansions · 06/06/2016 10:03

I don't think yabu Confused

I have indoor cats but a great many cats would be desperately unhappy if confined just to their own garden.

I keep my windows shut to prevent neighbourhood cats from getting in. I don't go round all the neighbours houses insisting they cat proof their gardens.

I know on MN you're seen as an irresponsible pet owner if you don't somehow train your cat not to poo in gardens, catch birds or go within a 2 mile radius of any human who is allergic to cats but in reality this is generally neither practical nor possible!!

willconcern · 06/06/2016 11:37

This thread is hilarious.

Keeping a cat indoors, keeping a cat constrained in a garden - both cruel IMO.

Keeping a window open, which is the only window through which next door's cat can enter, when you have a DC with asthma, and refusing to shut it a little, or open a different window - now that is insane.

ProfYaffle · 06/06/2016 11:45

We've just successfully cat proofed our garden. We don't have a cat but all the neighbourhood cats were using ours as a toilet, we were getting 5 turds a day in a small back yard and we got to the end of our tether. Since putting it up, had no problems at all. No cats, no poo, it's great.

I can't say it's the prettiest thing in the world but it's better than clearing up all the time.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 06/06/2016 13:39

I will soon be putting up some of this so called ugly cat proofing and do you know what? I don't really care whether the neighbours like it. It means that my cat will be in my garden so I know where he is. He won't be at risk crossing the road, he won't be at risk from the London cat killer (who has struck around here) or any other psychopaths who think it's ok to hurt or kill a cat.

ElegantDream · 06/06/2016 14:58

steppemum

You don't remove a section of your wall. You have a section of the next ting that can be pulled back o removed. As has been pointed out, the cat or whatever could then jump on to the wall and get out.

ElegantDream · 06/06/2016 14:59

Netting, not next ting

DigestiveBiscuit · 06/06/2016 20:49

Half the people round here have two cats. All the front gardens are open plan (there were covenants that could only be "soft edgings"). All the cats are free to wander wherever they want - we live in a cul de sac, on the edge of the country. IMO, it is absolutely ludicrous to expect owners to control where a cat goes - if the daughter is allergic to cats, it is upto her mother to open a kitchen window an inch or so, so no cat could get in. Our windows can be locked an inch open.

I do have a daughter with a life threatening condition, and we arrange our house and car to minimise the risks to her - but we don't tell our neighbours what to do!

steppemum · 07/06/2016 11:23

Elegant

patronising people who don't agree with you is childish.

There isn't something next to the wall that could be removed. each time it would mean removing the netting and then persuading a fox/cat etc to jump on to a 6 foot wall.
But, hey, I am sure you know my garden better than me Hmm

I disagree with you, I think it is hideous and an eye sore and a waste of time.
You think it is invisible Confused and worth every penny.

I am happy to agree to disagree

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 07/06/2016 12:25

If it keeps my cat safe I'll put up with the netting. It's not ideal in my garden but I worry about him so much. I think my neighbour's garden is an eyesore so if they have to look at my netting then we're quits! If it means he won't be mutilated by some sick bastard or run over by a speeding idiot then I'm happy. He can potter around in the garden, won't be using anyone else's garden as a toilet (he doesn't anyway, he uses ours) and I'll know where he is.

SeemsLegit · 07/06/2016 12:40

Buy a screen for her...to all the maniacs on here saying they'd happily poison a cat to protect their kiddies health...buy a fucking screen instead of murdering animals you bloody nut jobs.

Keeping outdoor cats indoors is cruel and they'd do your head in after a day or so.

Her daughter is not your problem really

steppemum · 07/06/2016 12:41

Pink - I have no problem with anyone using it, each to their own.
(and the eyesore thing - my garden is lovely. It is me who would find it an eyesore. There are 5 people who want to enjoy the garden, not just the cat.)

I object to the idea that everyone should use it.
And in particular that it would solve the OP's neighbour's problem, because it wouldn't, as another cat will just take over the territory.

OliviaStabler · 07/06/2016 12:45

Iknownuffink

So you'd kill a cat rather than close one window or put a mesh over that one window? That's truly awful.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 07/06/2016 16:24

We have at least 3 visiting cards on a regular basis and I know our cat visits the neighbours too.

Buy her a water pistol and tell her to use it!

bloodyteenagers · 07/06/2016 16:52

There's lots of sources for this.
Interesting reading about cats. Seems the right to roam does come with restrictions.

www.pets4homes.co.uk/pet-advice/your-pets-and-the-law.html

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