Buying an ex breeding dog..

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have seen an ad for a kc registered ex breeding bichon
i rang the breeder today and was told that she os really friendly , likes other dogs and people. Been in car etc , part of family not kenneled.
she is low energy.
( often bichon s can be )
I asked why the sale? (£800) and was told that they are hobby breeder and they cant keep all their dogs as they need new ones to
keep breeding and domt have room for all the older dogs.
they put it like - its her turn for her own sofa now. I know that due to
k c rules she cant have more litters.

really don't want a pup.

they assure me that she is a v easy going dog , house
trained. . i am concerned that she has lived her life with other dogs - thus wont she feel the loss of other dogs ( they say no she loves human fuss! Or have separation anxieties as she is used to never being alone ?

i am allowed to go and spend time with her , stay locally and re visit her the next day . But i cannot test of she will be anxious as outlined until she is in out home. Any ideas about this please?

@LandSharksAnonymous givea good advice but I want to add is:

• anyone can set up an official looking "organisation" and make it out to be reputable and all that. I could start breeding donkeys crossed with Vacuum cleaners and call it a 'Vacudonk'. The ideal home cleaning solution that eats dropped food while hoovering inedible dust. I'd set up an official looking website and call myself "The Vacudonk society of Great Britain". I'm being absolutely rediculous with the example but I want to make a point - just because someone has set up a society with grand sounding name, doesn't make them or their 'product' right. I'm thinking a lot of the official national societies for designer crosses here...
• Never ever consider a breeder who wants money/desposit before meeting or has more than one litter on the go (among other things already mentioned on this thread)

I really applaud you for coming back to ask for help on this thread. More potential buyers should ask questions like you are, and I think you are trying to do the right thing. It's not shameful to be a bit bewildered and need guidance and you're absolutely doing the right thing checking in with the knowledgeable people on this thread. So I just wanted to say well done for that!

How long ago did you contact the breed clubs for bichons and CKSspaniels, and others? (I.e not cross-breed clubs)

Finding a good breeder is hard, there are just so many bad ones…

reading your post about training, I’m going to suggest that maybe poodles and doodles aren’t ideal for you tbh, poodles are clever - and the issue with clever dogs is that they do need consistent training or they’ll work out more efficient ways to get what they want..

I’m going to go rogue - and I’m aware it’s a cliche 😂 but have you considered a rescue greyhound?

Ex/failed racers are adults but still relatively young, very calm dogs that have loose lead walking already - rarely have problematic behaviours other than they pretty much all try and counter surf for stolen food (easily managed) and prey drive can be an issue - but not always, some have a real low drive and that’s why they’ve failed as racers. But even that is usually fairly easy to manage as they’re not hugely energetic, so while they do need off lead time to run, they’re sprinters so a short run around is plenty and they’ll be happy enough with most of their walk being on lead if you have to be careful where you let them off.

Theyre very sweet and affectionate without being too in your face.

OnlyHerefortheBiscuits

thank you .

out of all the breeders only 2 have not asked for money deposit. I can send details??? see what people think?Both home bred

they say its post covid - they dont do introduction any more due to infection

• want ££ to reserve a pup you have not even met

the fact that i have adhd is adding to the anxiety and my knowledge that I can be impulsive and I am trying to qwell it.
only a few days- but ive looked on kk for bichon / poodle/ shitz - kk - all seem slightly older pups atm

i feel like giving up - but i know that I am a better version of myself near a calm dog - its always been the case my whole life
Ive just started a nee thread asking in case anyone knows anyone - especially therapy dogs- the issue is v much about trust - and its a horrible industry in so many ways sadly x

tabulahrasa
thanks - my mate has one and she has to be muzzled as she has a strong urge to go for little dogs-despite being a ‘ failed’ one ! But thank you

I put a deposit on my dog before meeting her BUT.... I only did this as she was the last girl left, she was 4 hours away and I couldn't get there immediately and it wasn't a huge amount and was money I was prepared to lose if all wasn't as it seemed when I did visit.

I wouldn't have entertained any litter where I was asked for money before being allowed to visit and certainly not due to covid!

They vary a lot though, I’ve known a few who yeah will chase anything including small dogs, but I’ve also known a few who could be off lead pretty much anywhere unless there were rabbits about and most are somewhere in between.

just thought I’d throw it out as a suggestion as they tend to be pretty stress free in every other way, not big on barking, jumping up on people, fairly unlikely to bite etc. Don’t go self employed if you don’t give them a job to do.

it’d just be a case of finding one that’s right for you in terms of prey drive.

but if you’re very against them….

Have a look at vulnerable native breeds - there’s a few terriers on there that aren’t as full on as other types, clumber spaniels, supposedly a bit stubborn but less nutty than springers or cockers and described as steady and gentle.

With dogs on that list, it’s easier to find a good breeder because there’s so few of them, people aren’t churning them out as the market is smaller

Some are definitely rare for a reason - like, not many people have room for a deerhound or the right activity level for harriers… but there’s quite a few where it actually doesn’t make sense why they’re not more popular 🤷‍♀️

You are right, a good uk breed that is not popular is certainly a good avenue. Whippets used to be one but they have become popular, but not quite so bad yet though. I had one. Easy to find pups and very healthy because not inbred.

However, all those breeds will be a working type not a lapdog, and will involve some training to respond to their needs.Terriers are no walk in the park...

Hence I think you are only realistic option is the rescue way. You will know exactly what you are getting and crucially, if a good rescue, have their help if something doesn't work. And you can snuggle up to the dog knowing you have done good.

Rescue greyhounds HAVE to be kept on the lead and muzzled, not negotiable. It is a must as they are bred to chase. However, by the time they are up for rescue, they have done their job and are spent. They are very lazy and very kind hearted. Neither smart nor stupid. Just a good decent English breed that is being abused. Dont get me started on racing.

I mean ... If you know you need a calm dog, getting a puppy is the worst thing you could do.

I will probably never get another puppy (she was a rescue). It's hell on earth. It's relentless hard, hard work. If you're worried about being consistent with training, how will you train a puppy who has the attention span of a flea? Id say my dog was quite easy to train, but even that was SO much pressure on me constantly to never switch off all the time she was awake because she would destroy things, poo or pee on the floor, eat everything in sight...

Don't impulse buy a puppy (as i feel like your adhd is telling you to get this over and done with now and that's never a good place to be in for long term decisions!)

What's happened with the cinnamon trust?

Maybe I’ve lost track of the thread but is there a reason you can’t get a young dog from a rescue? Then you could meet it and see what it’s like.

Don't impulse buy a puppy (as i feel like your adhd is telling you to get this over and done with now and that's never a good place to be in for long term decisions!)

This. I don't have any experience with ADHD but I'm now wondering if I have traits 🤔 I often get into my head that I "need" something and then will spend far too long researching and obsessing over it. However, when deciding on getting a dog (and I knew if I got 1 I 100% wanted a puppy) I made sure I was certain, then spent ridiculous amounts of time researching breeds and cross breeds before I decided on one. Then a year or 2 finding a litter that was right. I know what I'm like and I'd never be able to rehome an animal (no judgement to many people that do, but I couldn't do it) so whilst I could obviously never be sure I'd end up with my perfect dog, I did want to tip the scales massively in my favour.

Owning a dog is (well certainly should be) such a massive change... it's a total lifestyle choice. They don't just slot in with your life, you have to change most things to fit in with theirs!