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Should I get a stud fee ?

146 replies

army2426 · 28/12/2021 08:59

Hi,

So a few months ago our dog was put into doggy day care for a few days whilst we went away. A few weeks later I got a call to say that he has gotten another dog pregnant, he is a KC registered lab, as is the bitch ( we will forget for the moment my suspicions surrounding this )

Anyway, since they've been in touch asking me for his kc papers and his pedigree etc!

They're obviously going to be making a huge amount of money out of this ... am I within my rights to ask for something before handing over his paperwork.

OP posts:
CheshireKitten123 · 28/12/2021 09:24

@Maelstrom23

Why was a bitch in season at doggy daycare? Have you had an explanation for this? Is it the daycare owner's own bitch?
Exactly.

I smell a rat here.

No, you don't give them any papers. They used your dog without your permission.

And you stop using that daycare.

Original poster
army2426 · 28/12/2021 09:26

I have messaged the bitches owners and she has said 'yes, you would get a fee if it was planned but it wasn't however Ive looked online and im happy to pay you £100 in total not per puppy '

They have sent me a test they did to see if the pups are 100% lab and they were the only labs there at the time - so I'm told!

Apparently, it wasn't until she got pregnant that they knew about the mating.

OP posts:
Ylvamoon · 28/12/2021 09:29

Don't ask for money and don't give any KC papers.

I assume your dog isn't health tested nor is the bitch. If you want to stop irresponsible dog breeding now you can do your bit!
And find a new daycare.

CrotchetyQuaver · 28/12/2021 09:30

If she wants to sell them as KC reg purebred then she can pay you the going rate for stud fee to get you to release the sires papers to her. Otherwise no.

santaclothes · 28/12/2021 09:30

I wouldn't be handing over any papers so someone could profit for someone else's ridiculous error. Stay well out of it.

SmurfetteBlue · 28/12/2021 09:32

I definitely wouldn't be handing over any papers. They will be making a large amount without the papers. Sounds a bit fishy to me. makes you wonder if the kennel owners are friends with the dog owners!

MintyGreenDream · 28/12/2021 09:33

They're spouting shit.I bet you anything the other lab owner is friends with the daycare owner.Get the fee you want before handing papers over or just refuse to hand them over.

Kshhuxnxk · 28/12/2021 09:33

I wouldn't be handing over any papers at all and I would be reporting the daycare to the licensing authority

MintyGreenDream · 28/12/2021 09:33

Cross post

USaYwHatNow · 28/12/2021 09:34

That sounds so, so dodgy. I would be absolutely fuuuuuming if I were in your position, and would probably be kicking up a right stink to the daycare.

Scarydinosaurs · 28/12/2021 09:34

That’s even more suspect if no one witnessed it!

Without a witness you can’t provide papers (and even if there were a witness I’d want someone totally trustworthy…like Judi Dench or David Attenborough 😆) and I’d now email a reply to say as the mating can’t be verified you’re not happy to provide papers and do not want any payment.

CallieTorres · 28/12/2021 09:34

@BitcherOfBlakiven

So you sent your unneutered dog to daycare, he got another dog pregnant and you want money from that?

Grim.

Biscuit

Op sent her dog to day care, did not expect him to be allowed near a bitch on heat to enable him to mate

SpornStar · 28/12/2021 09:35

I wouldn’t give the KC details or accept a stud fee for very many reasons but even if you want to hand over the KC details, you need to check that your dog’s pedigree is not endorsed with ‘progeny not for registration’. Most reputable breeders will endorse pedigrees in this way to deter the buyer from breeding from them at a later date without health testing etc. If the pedigree is endorsed, only the breeder of your dog can lift the endorsement and, if reputable, I would bet they wouldn’t dream of doing so in these circumstances.

BlueEyesWhiteDragon · 28/12/2021 09:35

OP don't have anything to do with this.

As the owner of the stud dog you should be signing the paperwork on the stud bit anyway not just sending them the details for them to forge your signature

It's nonsense that noone witnessed the dogs mating. Unless your boy is a very experienced stud it's highly unlikely that he took one look at her and was on in seconds as they play abd prat about and then they'd have been tied together anyway... how long are these dogs unsupervised at this daycare anyway?

Have they tested each individual pup as more than one male can sire pups in a litter? So she could have been mated by every entire male in the place.

There is zero proof your dog is the dad. They could run DNA on each pups I guess to prove he is I guess.

Has anyone even checked to see what the coefficient breeding is between them? Have any of of had health tests? These pups could be walking timebombs and to be selling them at the high price I suspect they want to without all this info known (and highly unlikely to be told to purchasers) is money grabbing nonsense at its finest

Perching · 28/12/2021 09:38

Even on pets for homes stud fees are £500 plus. I would wash my hands of the whole mess.
What does the daycare owner have to say about this? I would be fuming and report them to the council.
(I also have an entire male and use a council registered day care)

ShesMadeaTwatOfMePam · 28/12/2021 09:39

There's not a chance in hell i would be handing over any paperwork. Puppies are selling for upwards of £1k at the moment. She stands to make a lot of money from your dog and i wouldn't be doing anything to facilitate that. Id also want a full explanation of how your dog and the bitch were in the same place unsupervised so that this was able to happen.

CheshireKitten123 · 28/12/2021 09:39

@army2426

I have messaged the bitches owners and she has said 'yes, you would get a fee if it was planned but it wasn't however Ive looked online and im happy to pay you £100 in total not per puppy '

They have sent me a test they did to see if the pups are 100% lab and they were the only labs there at the time - so I'm told!

Apparently, it wasn't until she got pregnant that they knew about the mating.

OP, Do not engage with this person any more.

£100 in total is just extracting the wee-wee.

Unless you have seen your dog DTD you have no way of knowing if your dog is the sire.

They have sent me a test they did to see if the pups are 100% lab

that's b@ll@cks, there is no such test.

and they were the only labs there at the time - so I'm told!"

That's irrelevant. The bitch could have been mated by any dog at that time. It to me sounds like the bitch's owners aren't very responsible and neither are the daycare owners

SpornStar · 28/12/2021 09:40

Just seen that the mating was not witnessed. Definitely do not accept a fee or provide KC reg details. You have no proof that these pups are from your dog.

Crazykatie · 28/12/2021 09:40

Traditionally a stud fee was often “pick of the litter” which sounds fair enough to me.
However, it was an “accidental” service, allegedly !. If they want the KC papers the same deal applies, “pick of the litter”.
The big money is made from crossbreds there days - Labradoodles etc where pedigree is irrelevant, and for 95% of pet owners not important.

Bushkin · 28/12/2021 09:40

What is the daycare owner saying about all this?

Our bitch wasn’t allowed at daycare for around a month when she has first season. And they have cameras everywhere so even if something did happen unsupervised I’d want proof to see how it occurred.

Then it’s your choice, appropriate stud fee or no papers

LynetteScavo · 28/12/2021 09:40

@Saucery

I wouldn’t want a stud fee, I wouldn’t be handing over any paperwork and my dog would not be attending that ‘daycare’ in future.

This!

GoodPrincessWenceslas · 28/12/2021 09:41

@BitcherOfBlakiven

So you sent your unneutered dog to daycare, he got another dog pregnant and you want money from that?

Grim.

Don't be ridiculous. Daycare is paid to take the same responsibilities as owners to keep un-neutered dogs away from bitches in heat.
BackBackBack · 28/12/2021 09:42

So message her back:

Thanks for letting me know. You're right - this wasn't planned, so on that basis I won't be sharing any paperwork or registration details.

Then block her. I would also be putting in a complaint to the daycare. Really poor practice to take in a bitch in season let alone put her with an entire male! The whole thing sounds planned TBH.

Soubriquet · 28/12/2021 09:43

Don’t give them anything then. It really does sound all planned out so she can make a huge profit on a litter of pedigree pups without paying the stud the right amount

AngelonTopoftheTree · 28/12/2021 09:43

@army2426

I have messaged the bitches owners and she has said 'yes, you would get a fee if it was planned but it wasn't however Ive looked online and im happy to pay you £100 in total not per puppy '

They have sent me a test they did to see if the pups are 100% lab and they were the only labs there at the time - so I'm told!

Apparently, it wasn't until she got pregnant that they knew about the mating.

£100??!! They can feck off. I wouldn't be giving them anything - it's all highly suspicious Xmas Confused