Aibu to get a puppy cavachon?

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A friend of my aunt has a litter of cavachon puppies. She has both of the parent dogs. Our boys have been begging us for a dog for years (12,9&5). I had a King Charles growing up, my mum currently has a bijon frise. Aibu to ask the drawbacks of having a cavachon (and first dog for the boys?) I am a sahm so would be home most days. Also the dog is bright red- is that unusual for a cavachon?

Actually they're crossbreeds not mongrels.

Argue whatever you want, but it's just a mutt with a fancy price tag.

Professor Moody. Maybe OP should go for a 'proper' kc breed like a shar pei - and spend most of her time at the vets with bacterial skin infections, ear infections and eye infections eh?

Or maybe she's better off getting a cross breed from healthy parents, where their health isn't compromised by the KC criteria.

CKC are not the healthiest of "pure" breeds I'll give you that. But, again, the bulging eyes and squashed nose is a criteria posed by the kennel club.

All "breeds" have been derived from the original dog. None of whom originated looking like the breeds we know now.

For those who harp on that cross breeds are mongrels... Keep harping. Mongrels are known to be more healthy and Hardy than breeds that have been bred purely to kc specifications.

So a cross breed then? What a fucking waste of time.

Errrr my crossbreed is bloody amazing thank you. And he's a rescue. Not everyone wants or cares about having a pedigree.

Has anyone come on to tell the OP to get a retired greyhound yet?

I don't know why crossbreeds get MN frothing like this. I totally get the rescue argument and my first 2 dogs were rescues.

But you never get this level of ire about purebreed puppies.

I needed a puppy as my older dog wouldn't have tolerated an older dog. A rescue wouldn't have rehomed us a puppy. We needed a second dog in a last ditch attempt to calm the psycho rescue dog down. Hoped he'd be so busy playing he'd stop attacking dh.

If people want to spend £500 or whatever on a mongrel why is it anyone's business. I don't comment if someone spends 1k on a Labrador. Or 2k on a handbag. Because I'm not rude.

moody the Kennel Club is responsible for hideous pain and suffering in many breeds I’m afraid. I believe they are seeing the errors of their ways for some breeds but it’s far too little and far too late.I will only ever own cross breeds

I have only ever owned pedigree dogs, either bought from a member of the ANKC, from overseas registered breeders, or whom I have bred myself. Dogs that I own/have owned have achieved over 400 titles whilst with me. Dogs that I have bred have over 1100 titles between them. I think my pedigree dogs are doing OK.

TillyTadpole Agree with you wholeheartedly.

And for those saying about silly idiots paying hundreds for a 'mongrel' - its supply and demand. The same as those that buy designer handbags, or fancy cars. You pay extra for what you want. Nothing wrong with it.

And please people learn the difference between home breeders, commercial breeders and puppy farms.

Commercial breeders are a business, and they may well have a large amount of dogs in kennels outside and use a stud dog. The dogs are not pets nut they are healthy and well kept This is obviously not to everyone's personal agreement but they are not all puppy farms. Google puppy farms. They are kept in stacks of cages, no bedding, mistreated, back to back litters, no health checks etc.

Op probably won’t be able to rescue a dog with young kids.

Tell me, how did pure bred dogs come about?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a crossbreed/mongrel, whatever you want to call them.

What pisses me off is when people overbreed dogs and give them a fancy name just to rip people off for loads of cash.

It’s what people want though Wilbur

Winning titles means nothing. Remember that poor German shepherd which did well (won?) Crufts? Poor dog. Not all pedigrees are like that but obviously acceptable and encouraged in some breeds.

That's true @idonthaveatatto, but dog owners really need to start being more responsible and consider the health of the dogs rather than just what they want. There are thousands of dogs in rescue centres who are dumped there when their health problems rear their heads. It's not fair.

Came on this thread cos I’ve thought about getting a cavachon and this is one of the stragest overreactions I’ve seen on MN, which is saying something! I mean I get advising someone to check it’s not a puppy farm but really... what’s wrong with a mongrel/cross breed? It’s not like Dachshunds emerged fully formed from the earth is it, they were mongrels once. I grew up around pure bred German Shepard’s and Doberman’s and all the best breeding intentions in the world didn’t stop the odd one being mental, it’s hardly a fail safe.

That’s true of every breed, every breed comes with health problems.

Looking online at my local rescue centre () it’s Staffy after Staffy, or greyhounds. Nothing personal against those breeds but they wouldn’t work for my family. Plus, it’s unlikely I would pass their criteria having two very small children. So people will always want dogs - they go to breeders or, in most cases, people like the OPs friend who aren’t registered breeders but aren’t puppy farms either.

Pingu,we have the most intelligent breed and God love him but he’s as thick as shit!

*Winning titles means nothing. Remember that poor German shepherd which did well (won?) Crufts?

Well since no German Shepherd has won best in show at Crufts in any recent memory, then your comment is irrelevant. My first pedigree dog achieved a show championship, then went onto 60 other titles in field work, obedience, agility, tracking, endurance, flyball, and other dog sports. She was still competing (and winning) in agility at 14. I think that seems pretty healthy for a pedigree dog.

Her daughter (twelve titles in different sports) is still competing at 12 years of age. Her granddaughter (14 titles) is still competing at 8. I have puppies out there that are over twelve years of age and still living with their families with no health problems. It's not the healthy, well bred, pedigree dogs that are the problem.

Genuine question... when you get a puppy KC registered, do they carry out any health checks / need proof that you have done it?

The only reason why people are able to charge such extortionate prices for crossbreeds is because people are prepared to pay. Supply and demand.

And I always laugh at the idea of getting a rescue as if that is somehow the answer when actually most rescue dogs come with far more problem than dogs who were potentially bred by a relative (note there is a far greater difference between a dog which has been bred by a family member than one who has been bred by some unknown puppy farmer who is prepared to meet you at the services to drop off your puppy......

OP your aunt’s dog is no more likely to have health problems than a rescue, and most rescues are a nightmare anyway so I would go with your aunt’s puppy.

And yes, cross breeds are far less likely to have health problems than purebreds.

FWIW I would never rescue.... Far too many nightmare stories out there, far more than those of buying a pup from a family member. And while I personally would never breed my dogs and would discourage anyone else from ever doing so, the fact is that the puppies are already here, so there is no reason not to get one.

No, but it's breed standards which encourage ever more extreme physical characteristics damaging to dogs' health. Repeatedly extolling the virtues of your own dogs does not detract from this. This issue has been in the UK news many times, usually around Crufts. Perhaps in other countries it's not so controversial.

That was to Midnite Scribbler.

That's true @idonthaveatattoo all breeds can be prone to certain conditions. My beef is with the overbreeding which people know are going to result in pups with quite severe problems from a young age, but people will still buy them (so there's a demand) because they're 'cute'.

I have a lab, a greyhound (who was rescued when my two were under 6 - you might be surprised at the criteria) and another Heinz 57 who we also rescued. There's been a definite shift over the last few years from 'normal' crossbreeds to breeding pups purely for their cuteness and to make money from people who are more interested in looks than health and personality. (I'm not saying that's you btw).

Well said summer, I would be worried about a rescue for the reasons you've said, but in my experience I wouldn't be allowed to adopt a dog anyway because of their tick list of rules. And my dog is very well looked after ☺️

To be fair curiosity there are some dogs which are being bred with other breeds and we really don't know what the resulting personality will be yet. Not just rescues.

it was best in breed 2016

Terrible ill looking dog.

Oh and my KC crufts winning line dog had no health checks on either himself or parents.

My parents always had shi-tzus and every one was unhealthy with cardiac problems.