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Does anyone fancy a "puppy survival" thread part 2

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Soubriquet · 16/05/2017 11:16

Here we are again

Just jump in and join us

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Soubriquet · 12/06/2017 13:32

That's brilliant Grin

Dogs are weird...

That expensive bag of dog food? Nah poison.

That cheap bag of bird seed however is the dogs bollocks Hmm

Trying to hoover up spilt bird seed so she doesn't get the shits and it's like fighting back a starving nation.

Then she's going mad because the hoover is eating her food

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Soubriquet · 12/06/2017 13:54

She's responding so well to the dc though.

Dd (4) is in the living room with her now doing sit for treats and Lexa is sitting lovely for her

On a walk earlier, Lexa spotted a pigeon and started to leg it after it.

Alll of a sudden I hear "Wexa, SIT!"

It was Ds (2) from his buggy Grin

She immediately stopped and came rubbing straight back albeit very confused as he has never done that before

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Cocobananas · 12/06/2017 20:10

Soubriquet, lovely to hear how pup is getting on with your children. Many moons ago we had a black lab who grew up with my children, she was as bomb proof as you would want with kids. Our pup has not had the same experiences around young children on a daily basis but was really good with children of all ages yesterday at her first year puppy party. I kept a watchful eye. Am envious because I think most dogs love to be part of a family and ours gets to see mid twenties children every few weeks or so...not the same. It is why I vary her walks so much and probably why she gets games and chewies and so much attention daily.

BiteyShark · 12/06/2017 20:19

Oh yes, good quality dog food is rubbish compared to cow/horse/deer/bird poo or rotten vegetation. Also why would you drink fresh water when you can drink from a stagnant putrid puddle Confused

Soubriquet · 12/06/2017 20:38

Oh she adores children.

Luckily, as kids seem to make a beeline towards her.

She's already learnt to be gentle jumping up at younger kids who can't bend down properly so she can give them a kiss.

She's so good with my two too really. The only issue is when she wants to sleep but we are teaching her now if she wants undisturbed sleep, she has to go in her crate which she is picking up well.

She said almost got sit down no problem out of 3 training sessions. Now going to try paw Grin

I don't take her to training classes so this is all done at home and out n about but I do try to socialise out n about with everything

But puppy classes are just a bit too pricey for me

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MrsWineasaurus · 12/06/2017 21:43

Hey everyone,

Haven't been on much, things have been hectic!

Chase has come on leaps and bounds since the last time I wrote. You were absolutely right when you said sometimes something just clicks in regards to toilet training. Haven't had an accident in a week and if we do it's because he's been at the door trying to get out!

Only things we still need to work on is cage training when we go out (he will still have accidents in there) and also need to try and stop him from being so rough and bitey with DS. Any tips?

How are all your pooches doing? X

BiteyShark · 13/06/2017 08:44

MrsWineasaurus how old is your DS? Excitement will make the dog more bitey so once they get into that state the only thing to stop it I found was to give a short time out. At the beginning I had to do it several times but this did get better as he realised biting meant no play. The form of timeout was either in crate or behind a closed door for a few mins.

BiteyShark · 13/06/2017 08:51

Well no more nice biteypup mum. Took him for a walk and not even 15 mins in he decided to start taking the pee with recall. So put him on the lead, sat him down and did another recall with me standing about 7 foot away from him and again he ran off so grabbed him and walked him back to the car. Practiced again in the garden when I got back so he knows the recall whistle but is just choosing to ignore it. I wonder how many short walks we have to do before he realises I am not going to let him get away with it anymore.

AmIAWeed · 13/06/2017 08:57

We went for our second 'family dog training class' essentially teaching us what we need to do as opposed to dog training where he has to work.
I gave him a new treat before we went a smokey bacon rawhide roll....and it didn't agree with him, liquid poo ALL over the trainer's room, I had to get Daniel on a lead as he was running all round, his bum leaking the whole time and him stepping in it.
The trainer was amazing, promised me it happens all the time and not to worry. URGH I felt awful - no more smokey bacon rawhide treats!

BiteyShark · 13/06/2017 09:09

AmIAWeed oh dear, at least the trainer saw the funny side Grin. I am very careful what I give him as he often has a delicate stomach. From the pet store it tends to be dry biscuits and then for other things I stick to non fatty type treats such as dried cows ears, dried fish skins, dried cows livers etc which I get from my food supplier.

MrsWineasaurus · 13/06/2017 09:34

Biteyshark DS is 4 and quite hyper sometimes which I think doesn't help. Have explained he needs to say no when Chase gets a little nippy. May have to try the time out! X

BiteyShark · 13/06/2017 09:55

I would get you DS to stand still like a statue and shout a code word to let you know when DPup is getting bitey. You can then intervene with either a timeout or distraction with another chew toy (distraction with something else to bite on didn't work for me but some people find it helps).

bluetongue · 13/06/2017 11:29

I finally got around to videoing Bluepuppy's reaction when I leave. Know I know why kept putting it off. He just cries and hangs by the front door. Poor little guy Sad

I find myself in tears all the time. I'm worried this is what my life is for the next 10 years or so. Worse still, because I now know he has a behaviour issue I Can't rehome him even if I wanted to.

He has a vet appointment this weekend but I know even with medication there is no easy fix to this problem.

I do love Bluepuppy but if I could go back in time I never would have got him Sad

Flippetydip · 13/06/2017 11:44

Bluetongue Flowers - so sorry it's still hard. I've been videoing ours when we leave too and she paces and whines for about 4 minutes and then sits on the sofa. I hate the pacing and whining so I can't imagine how you feel if it's constant.

I have no idea how to overcome this for you - we're at the same stage with new dogs and at the "scary" stage.

I seem to have reached crisis point last week where I cried and said I couldn't cope and have turned a corner this week where we're all just besotted with her and she seems to be doing really well. However, we still haven't dared let her off the lead. Any recommendations on how long to leave a greyhound before you let them off the lead? I'm not sure she's bonded enough to us to know who to come back to yet?

That said DH came back yesterday after 4 days away and she gave him a hero's welcome :) We're getting there I think.

BiteyShark · 13/06/2017 12:06

Flippetydip the sooner you train recall the better because you don't want to wait until they are independent. For example my dog is now a teenager and is ignoring my recall command but he does know what it is. If I hadn't actually taught him it when he was younger and wanted to please me he would have just run away now with his independence streak. As it is he ignores me but does come back when he feels like it just not when I call.

I used a whistle and when he ran towards me in the garden I would blow it (4 quick pips). After a while he would associate that with come towards me. Each time he got fussed and treated. We then went into an enclosed forest bit where there was no distractions and let him off. He never wandered far because when young they are scared to. We then practiced recall lots of times during each walk. If you are scared then attach a long line to a harness which you can then stamp on if he decides not to come back.

AmIAWeed · 13/06/2017 12:09

Ah blue thats really tough.
I'm thinking to what our trainer has been talking about to see if theres anything in there that could help. He has mentioned as I work from home and always with Daniel separation anxiety may become an issue.
So
There are times he's left at home with husband and I'm not there, we make sure we take it in turns for feeding and doing his training etc - how is blue puppy if your parents are there but not you? Is it you he's desperate for or company in general?
What if you shut him in a different room? So he gets used to you coming in and out and not always being by your side? Could you try a stair gate so he can get used to seeing you but not physically being with you, then build up to doors, lengthen the time period he's alone etc

BiteyShark · 13/06/2017 12:09

bluetongue it's hard but you will get there. Getting some outside help will make it seem less of a mountain to climb.

bluetongue · 13/06/2017 12:26

Thanks AmIaWeed and Bitey. He's good with my parents and they can leave him in their backyard while they're in the house. While he loves me most he is okay as long as there is a person around. He also goes to daycare twice a week and apparently is mostly okay there.

I have contacted a trainer that works along with vets and just have to wait and see what my vet thinks before I get started. At this stage I'm pretty open to using medication for his problem.

He has been bad with crying if I'm on the other side of a baby gate from day one. I've always been strong and ignored his cries but it still happens.

I just worry that if he's not fixable there aren't many options Sad

BiteyShark · 13/06/2017 12:35

blue I am of the opinion that most things are fixable with time and money. I think you are doing the right thing, you have minimised the time you are away with daycare and parents and are looking to get help with a trainer for the times he needs to be left alone.

Trust me I felt like shit after the weekend with my dog and his running off coupled with the lack of simple obedience at gun dog training and the acknowledgement that I had known for some time that he isn't that fixated on me. These are different problems to yours but I think most of us have our own 'issues' with them when young and for those lucky ones that have the dream puppy well they won't be on this thread Grin

bluetongue · 13/06/2017 13:06

Thanks Bitey. He really would be perfect if it wasn't for the issues leaving him. It's just very hard to focus on his good points when he worries me so much. I also feel bad for having to lean on my parents to such an extent.

I do still wonder if he would be better with a second dog. I'm hoping some people at the Whippet meet up might be able to help out with some ideas. What I really need is a 'rent a whippet' for a few days Smile

CornflakeHomunculus · 13/06/2017 14:32

He has been bad with crying if I'm on the other side of a baby gate from day one. I've always been strong and ignored his cries but it still happens.

Unfortunately the risk of this very outcome is exactly why reputable trainers/behaviourists recommend against using the "cry it out" method. Whilst it works for some dogs, for many (particularly if they're sensitive, which whippets tend to be) it just very effectively teaches them to associate being alone with being in distress.

Are you able to go right back to basics with him and start only leaving him for what he can cope with (which may be as little as stepping across the threshold then immediately back into the room with him)? The difficulty with dealing with distress when they're alone is that whilst they are upset they're not in a fit state to learn anything so you really need to avoid putting them in that situation whilst you start from scratch and build their confidence up. This guide is specifically about crate training but it also covers teaching a pup to be left alone happily and you can use those methods however you choose to leave your pup. The aim needs to be never getting to the point where he's crying/barking/showing any signs of distress. This article on separation anxiety (as well as those linked to at the bottom) is also well worth a read and there's a section on the use of medication to help the issue.

I've been where you are now with DDog2. All the advice we were given back when she was a puppy (she's an old lady now) was to ignore her crying and, sure enough, we ended up with a puppy who was so distressed at being left alone she was busting out of crates and screaming herself hoarse. We had another dog at the time and she clearly took absolutely zero comfort in his presence, thankfully he didn't pick up anything from her but when the problem is being away from people another dog isn't necessarily going to be remotely helpful and it's very easy to end up with two dogs who cry when they're left. Another risk with using canine company as a crutch is that if it works you can be right back at square one if they ever need to be separated for things like vet trips, training classes, etc.

We did sort the problem out. I'm not going to lie, it took a while and was a lot of work but we got there and for many years she's been absolutely fine being left and is perfectly happy whether she's in the company of our other dogs or completely alone. We went right back to basics with her and left her as little as possible, building up very gradually from just a few seconds alone to longer and longer periods. Even with complicating factors (having left her mum/siblings too soon which predisposed her to attachment issues and being naturally very anxious/neurotic) she learned to be happy being left and if she can then pretty much any dog can!!

BiteyShark · 14/06/2017 07:37

Hmmm horse/cow/deer poo I can put up with but why the sudden taste for dog poo Shock. Honestly dogs are disgusting.

bluetongue · 14/06/2017 08:35

Thanks for your reply Cornflake. I had to le him 'cry it out' to some extent when I first got him otherwise I would never have been able to have a shower!

Good to hear you had success with your whippet. I'm hoping that early intervention works for my little guy.

I've booked for a trainer to come to my house to see Bluepuppy next week. I also contacted a veterinary behaviourist but I would have to wait until mid to late August for an appointment with them. They actually work with the trainer I've booked for next week. Hopefully between the trainer and my vet there will be a solution. He can also go to day care any week day from next week. Not cheap but hopefully not forever.

bluetongue · 14/06/2017 08:38

Forgot to say the Bluepuppy had his jumper on when I got home and didn't seem as frantic as usual when I walked in the door. Not sure if the two are connected but it can't hurt to try it again.

BiteyShark · 14/06/2017 09:07

You can get dog calming jackets so maybe the jumper is having the same effect, bit like when we wrap ourselves up in a blanket Smile