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My puppy is in her first season

199 replies

SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 16:36

She is 9 months old. Is it quite late for a first season? I was expecting it at about 6 months.

I will be breeding her with my other dog but not on her first season.

How long do you think it will be till her next season?

This is the first time breeding. I'm going to try it once and if it works out quite well I'll continue.

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Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 20:51

They do inherit temprement from their parents to a degree, but temprement is inherent in the breed (everyone knows staffies are lunatics, rotties are calm etc) and of course how they are bought up.

I dont think you should be flammed for expressing a desire to breed, id love to do it, but weighing up the pros and cons, i wouldn't. I think your reason is admirable but not sound enough for you to make the decision to go ahead and do it. I am not being mean when i say don't do it, i just think its a LOT more hassle than it is worth and can cause a lot of heartache if it goes wrong.

I get the impression your desire to breed is because you want your dogs to have purpose? I could be totally wrong. OObviously they are not working dogs but you say they have good temprements, why not consider havin them trained as PAT dogs? That would be a far better legacy than puppies, that with all the best intentions you cannot garuntee will go to good homes. Even the best breeders don't have a crystal ball and dont know 100% what the outcome for their pups will be.

IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 20:52

"I know dogs need rehoming. Me not breeding isnt going to stop that!!!"

"how is her not breeding, stopping all of the other dogs in rescues being left there? "

actually OP you not breeding means there are people who instead of buying your pups might consider rescue instead. you mightn't think the non-existence of 5/6/7 pups wont make a difference but really if every BYB decided not to breed for a year i bet it would make a difference to alot of dogs currently in rescue.

SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:54

They are sought after here especially good blood lines

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:56

Booyhoo

What people want isn't going to change. Ever!!

People want puppies. Not everybody but a lot do.

I did for goodness sake. I bought 2!!!

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Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 20:57

But your male WOULD be unhappy because its like any men, once they have had a taste of the apple Wink he will be wanting to sow his seed all over the shop. It could have some serious consequences on his temprement. I would just get her speyed as she can develop health problems if you don't.

Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 20:58

When you say they come from good blood lines, are they KC registered?

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/03/2012 21:00

They are in my town too. For Badger baiting, hare coursing, rabbiting, fighting. They are often use to send down the holes and flush out the rabbits for the lurchers and whippets to chase. If the rabbit hole collapses on them, then so be it. It's a JRT. £50 a pop for a JRT pup round here. Not worth saving.

Still doesn't stop them ending up in our local rescues though you might note that there are a lot of hound types in there too that's because they are also a highly sought after breed and as such are bred from manically to do all of the above jobs, if they're not quick enough or savage enough they're just left at the beach.

SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 21:01

Go away

It is the hassle that has put me off.

I dont want to breed so they have "purpose" as you put it. They have purpose, they are my pets. I just wanted to pass on their lovely temprement.

I thought about PAT dogs. There is a nursing home in the next village and I know how lovely they would be to the residents.

A lot of what has been said has fuelled my decision not to (not from the flamers mind)

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Spero · 15/03/2012 21:01

Anyone reading this who works/ has contacts in rescues, do you understand just how many people try to adopt and give up because the standards are se so high? At my puppy training one women was refused because she worked two days a week... So she went to a breeder. I am sure a dog would have had a much happier life with her than stuck at the rescue. She was happy to come home at lunch time, get a dog walker etc. I hear this kind of thing a lot.

IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 21:03

actually OP i think it will change. people are becoming more and more educated and aware of what BYBing and puppy farming is. more info is coming to light about the risks of buying a puppy from these type of 'breeders' not jst risks about temperament but risks to the long term health of the dogs, like people breeding smaller and smaller yorkshire terriers that end up having heart problems and dying really young. i do think people will start changing how they view dogs and how they 'acquire' them. but i suppose if you get in now you might make a bit of quick easy cash before the trends change.

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/03/2012 21:04

Smaller, independant rescues have less stringent rules than the bigger places. I work pt, have two small children, a cat, no garden and two existing dogs in an already small house. I still foster for two local rescues.

Many Tears, Doris Banham, Save Our Strays, Lurcher Link a lot of the greyhound charities all consider indivual circumstances with no blanket rules.

SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 21:06

JRT are £250 here doin

Not the most expensive dog but not just another 50 quid as you put it.

Their parents are Goaway I haven't done it yet.

I have all the details both the breeders gave me so I could do it myself. It would cost me about £12 I think.

Like I say I see them as pets firstly so registering them wasn't/isn't a priority.
Vaccinating and microchipping was.

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NoMoreMarbles · 15/03/2012 21:07

despite all of the hostility swimming what a load of relative strangers on an internet forum have to say about the matter will likely have little impact on your decision. its up to you to decide and if you want to breed your dogs and you are confident that you would be responsible enough to do the necessary to find them good, responsible owners, then any amount of name calling will do little to sway you either way.

why not find a breeders speciallist site and ask some more indepth questions? speak to your vet about all eventualities for both the bitch and the dog, look into interest for the breed in your local area and then make your decision as an informed one. that would be how i would do it if i were to decide to breed my dog. maybe investigate the flip-side of the coin aswell, visit local rescue centres and canvas the breeds of dog they generally come across. if they get alot of JRTs then that might be integral to your decision making process...

SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 21:10

Booyhoo

will you please stop making it out as though I some sort of farmer who sees my dogs as money making scheme. I have said nothing of the sort that should gove you that idea!!!

Not all home breeders are the same. Stop making sweeping statements that are, in no way, anything like what I am.

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D0oinMeCleanin · 15/03/2012 21:10

You're kidding yourself if you think you're going to get £250 for a JRT puppy anywhere in this country. £180 is the average price they are advertised at and I'd bet my last pound they're actually sold for much less.

Unless your dog is a different breed and you're going to advertise the resultant mutts as some kind of ridiculous 'desginer breed'?

SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 21:15

Nomore

Its cats that are over run at my local RSPCA. I have seen a few staffies, greyhounds. mongrels but mostly there are german shepherds and quite older ones.

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 21:17

Doin

One of mine was £250 the other was £225 (because he was male)

I am not kidding myself at all.

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IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 21:19

come on OP you are talking about breeding two dogs simply because you have them as pets. you are talking about how 'in demand' they are (code for you being able to get a good price), you are talking about you'll do it once and see if it works out well. this is a whim! nobody who has their dogs' or the potential pups' best interests at heart breeds on a whim. you may think you are not a BYB and that you have the right reasons in mind but believe me, every single BYB who does it can justify it to themselves aswell. they all think their reasons are the right ones too.

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/03/2012 21:19

They saw you coming, my love.

IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 21:23

swimming that's because rspca kill the dogs they can't get homes for. the dont have a no kill policy so you wont have seen all the dogs they have brought in over the last 6-12 months that can't be rehomed.

SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 21:25

How did they "see me coming"?

Was I ripped off? How?

I have 2 very lovely dogs. They're not duff, they're gentle, friendly, affectionate, in fantastic health. Perfect dogs and worth every penny!!!

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 21:28

you're clutching at straws now
So by chance Booyhoo all the dogs they've had to put sleep were all JRT I just didn't get to see them. Hmm

Honestly between you and doin nothing either of you will say will swing my decisoin either way.

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Flatbread · 15/03/2012 21:29

Swim,

My dog just had a litter of pups (it was an accident, not planned). It is such hard work! During her pregnancy and especially now, we are totally bound to very short trips. Our life revolves around the dog, pups and constant trips to the supermarket to pick up even more food ( she is eating five times her usual amount, and it is something we are still adjusting to) and goats milk supplement for the pups.

We didn't get more than three hours sleep for the first week. Now if is an interrupted five hours, with one ear cocked for any sounds the pups might make. (and when she was pregnant she was uncomfortable and paced around a lot, so didn't get much sleep either then).

From next week, when they are three weeks old, we will need to make a bigger whelping box with a seperate toilet area to start potty training. That will mean constant vigilance for another week at least.

We used to love our life, with evenings at the pub, coffee out etc. All that is on hold. We cannot go for weekend aways or meet friends or anything for ourselves really. Then, after they are old enough to be really interactive and fun, we will be giving them away to their hopefully forever families. But there will always be a little anxiety at the back of our mind whether they are happy or not.

We will be keeping one of the pups. They are gorgeous looking and have the gentle, loving nature of both mum and dad. But gosh, it would be so much better and easier to get one from a rescue!

IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 21:32

"all the dogs they've had to put sleep were all JRT I just didn't get to see them"

twisting words

what i'm saying is that of the dogs that went in in teh last year teh ones that didn't get rehomed will likely have been PTS. which means if they have trouble rehoming JRTs then you will not have seen them. i did not say that all the dogs they put to sleep were JRTs.

SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 21:34

I was in no doubt of the work I would have to put in. I have visions of me sleeping downstairs with her and I knew I would need a welping box etc.

My house is big enough to do it there is no doubt about that.

It is the hassle that puts me off.

I certainly wouldn't be giving any puppies away though. It would be those that would be targeted as bait dogs.

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