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My puppy is in her first season

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 16:36

She is 9 months old. Is it quite late for a first season? I was expecting it at about 6 months.

I will be breeding her with my other dog but not on her first season.

How long do you think it will be till her next season?

This is the first time breeding. I'm going to try it once and if it works out quite well I'll continue.

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BeerTricksPott3r · 15/03/2012 20:16

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:16

Like I said I haven't made my decision yet.

TBH I don't like her being in season, its unattractive, messy etc so that has been putting me off.

There are pros and cons I suppose I'm going to have see what is best for all of us.

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IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 20:18

"Another thing is, people do like puppies and if they don't buy mine they might end up buying off an owner that doesn't care as much as me and get poorly puppies that could be inbred etc

sorry but i have never heard anything as stupid in my life. are you trying to say you are doing this to save the poor inbred puppies? those puppies will still exist and people will still buy them whether you breed or not. dont try and make out you are some saintly character.

aesopslabials · 15/03/2012 20:18

"Breeding does not make me an irresponsible backyard breeder at all."

Yes it does. It is immoral. Get her spayed ffs.

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/03/2012 20:19

How would you know that they won't be used for Badger baiting? The buyers are hardly going to rock up your door step and admit it.

How are you going to advertise them to attract responisble owners who are looking for a responsible breeder?

What sort of things do you look out for and ask during a homecheck?

I assume you have rescue contacts you can get in touch with to ensure that no potential owner has been banned from keeping pets for cruelty or are looking for bait for dog fights or wish to continously breed from your pup?

What will happen if a potential owner cannot keep a puppy five years down the line? Will you take it back or will it end up in the pound waiting to be pts?

Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 20:19

I would honestly say don't do it, maybe as a one off, but you have said that if it works out, you intend to continue and that does make me a bit Sad.

If you are not breeding parsons JRTs then they are effectively crossbreeds as the JRT is not a recognised breed.

I deliberately bought my JRT (border/jrt x patterdale) from a family breeder as i wanted a puppy that had been used to children, he is an absolute star. So please don't think i am anti amateur breeders who want to have A litter of puppies. The people I got my dog from kept two of the the other pups and one went to her FIL who had the "father". I was looking for a border terrier and couldnt find an appropriate pup so opted for a private breeder. I would not have bought my dog from this person though if i thought for one minute she was going to continue to breed from her bitch.

There is NO money to be made from dog breeding, especially cross breeds, you might get £100 per pup, but if there are complications your expenses are going to outstrip any profits you might make.

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:20

booyhoo I agree but many don't. I was for both of my dogs but I know a breeder who sells labradors that doesn't.

Beer If I'm asking about her season in my original question then it clearly shows that I'm trying to find out so that I can work out what is best

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Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 20:21

"TBH I don't like her being in season, its unattractive, messy etc so that has been putting me off. " please just get her speyed.

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:21

beer I know you are right. (Really though if a buyer didnt want the dog for any reason I would have it back in heart beat than have it go to rescue)

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IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 20:26

"booyhoo I agree but many don't. I was for both of my dogs but I know a breeder who sells labradors that doesn't."

it doesn't matter if other 'breeders' Hmm dont. if you have the welfare of your pups as the no1 priority you will homecheck. i dont understand why you wouldn't tbh.

toboldlygo · 15/03/2012 20:27

There are a bazillion dogs like yours in rescue. Lots of puppies, too. The ones who end up in the pound often end up dead.

My friend (who is about the best example of a breeder you could find - all health tests, exemplary show results, careful consideration of lines, rare breed, high demand, all homes lined up, contracts etc) recently lost a litter a week before they were due to be born. The bitch was seriously ill and could have died also. Insurance doesn't cover pregnancy or whelping so she is now seriously out of pocket and traumatised by the whole experience, despite being a very knowledgable breeder.

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:27

I do enjoy her they are both so lovely.

If I knew she would just have one pup I'd let her have one so I could keep it.

(dons flameproof coat for that comment)

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IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 20:29

out of interest have you looked at any of those link dooin put up?

Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 20:30

Have you owned dogs before? Terriers are great, but do not let their small size decieve you, they can be a handful and this is why do many of them end up in rescue. My boy is a dream in the family, but he can be a fucking nightmare with other dogs, its all part of him being a terrier. Have you considered the effects on your male dog if you use him as a stud dog? Especially if you are keeping him and the bitch together. This can be quite problematic.

I really would give this SERIOUS thought before you do it.

What are your reasons for wanting to breed?

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:30

I said I would Confused

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Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 20:32

not sure why that comment would have you needing the flameproof coat - If people thought you wanted to have one puppy to keep for yourself i dont think they would be quite so Hmm its the other puppies they are worried about. And the long term health of your bitch.

Again, why are you wanting to breed?

IAmBooyhoo · 15/03/2012 20:35

it didn't seem like you were saying you would homecheck tbh. more like you agree it should happen but that as others didn't do it you weren't sure if you would.

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:36

Yes I have owned terriers before.

Terrors as I like to call them Grin. Can escape, like the chase (cats, squirrels) JRT are known to be able jump up to 4 feet etc.

Really they usually inherit parents tempremant don't they. Both of mine have, I saw both their parents when I bought them.

Very gentle and playful. She likes to wiggle and wag a lot and he likes to be submissive (wimp)

the only reason I thought about breeding is because I wanted to pass their lovely personalities on.

Sorry GOAWAY my last post was to Booyhoo

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D0oinMeCleanin · 15/03/2012 20:37

Oh you only want one puppy for yourself? risk free puppy for you here and no more mess from seasons.

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:44

I really have no intention of over breeding her.

I thought if I was to do it more than once I certainly wouldn't do it on every season like some breeders.

Maybe you're right, I am a novice and I do adore them and I don't want them to be unhappy at all. She might hate being a mum (though her mum was a great mum). I dont think he would be unhappy at all though would he Grin

I have ummed and ahhed about it a bit.

(I dont think I deserved the flaming though)

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:47

doin

I know dogs need rehoming. Me not breeding isnt going to stop that!!!

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NoMoreMarbles · 15/03/2012 20:48

wow it has gotten heated here...i was going to join in to the discussion about pups in season as my 7mo is in her first season ATM...i see not a single person has chosen to talk about that but to be rather harsh to the OP who has repeatedly said she hasnt made her mind up on breeding yet.

i plan to get my dog spayed as soon as i can- mainly as we got her (rescue from someone who took her on and was about to abandon herSad) and we dont plan to breed her- plus despite how gorgeous she is (pic on profile) she is a cross and would rather not add to the pile of crosses in rescues myself buit it is personal preference. the only person who understands the demand in the area the OP lives in is the OP so over-judging the situation and name calling is hardly called for!

yes, it is very sad to see so many dogs in rescues and yes, the OP doesnt have to breed her dogs but how is her not breeding, stopping all of the other dogs in rescues being left there?

and FWIW DH and i tried numerous times to adopt a dog and there always seemed to be so many hoops to jump through (do we plan on expanding our family? you cant have a dog in a house with a small yard- despite living 5 mins walk from a massive park etc) we ended up walking out of one rescue because of the rude and invasive questions they were asking...is there any wonder people prefer private "breeders"?

like i said we got our dog from a girl with a big family who already had a dog and couldnt cope with the pup she had taken on 2 weeks earlier so we prevented another entering into the rescue system. it happens every day and when most people look for a dog their first thought is a cute puppy not an old boy from a rescue very sad but no less true...

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/03/2012 20:50

It's going to add to it though, duh!

My links are point out that JRT are ten a penny in pounds and rescues. They are over bred already without eejits adding to the numbers.

When you said you had a sought after breed I thought you were going to say something remotely sensible like a Goldie or a Spaniel of some kind.

Jack Russells are not sought after. There are millions of them.

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SwimmingThroughSickLullabies · 15/03/2012 20:50

Thank you nomoremarbles

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