Torchwood!!!!

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yippee!! on now.

Exactly there would be a rito!

Edam - I think they did say that about the soldiers children. DH's thinking was that if all the Armed Forces refused to do it. And the Police refused to do it, and the parents started a riot, well there would be no one to sort it out, as the police and AF would be rioting alognside the parents! No one to take the children away.

Exactly there would be a rito!!
Obviously I meant riot. I have a 22kg Border Collie sitting on my lap!

True, expat, the army has always recruited from deprived areas where kids have few options. So would soldiers REALLY go and snatch kids from the sort of places where they had grown up?

Only it has happened in other countries - former Yugoslavia when that was all kicking off, for instance.

I doubt British ones would, edam. And, if they had grown up in such areas, they'd know damn well that people there would have absolutely no qualms about killing them rather than see their children away. And think of plenty of ways that don't cross some peoples' minds.

Living in Muirhouse, there was many a soul, even among the children, who were quite adept at starting fires quickly and plenty sure at handling all manner of makeshift weapons.

What did the PM have against Frobishet?? To say he was expendable to start with and then say his children had to die.

I didn't like Frobishet in the first 4 days but on Day 5 I really felt for him, what a horrible situation to be faced with, to see what the PM wanted your daughters to become! As soon as he ordered the gun I was thinking, he has to shoot his family, you couldn't let your girls go through that for an alien 'high' could you? Poor, poor man.

Although I did hope that his sidekick woman had somehow ordered two guns and was going to shoo the PM at his desk. I hadn't seen the contact lenses bit coming at all - but very clever. Shame though, that when they get rid of the PM they would still have that harriet harman woman backstabbing them all.

Felt very bad for Frobishet at the end as he killed his family and himself for nothing in the end didn't he? All the kids bar poor Stephen were saved.

I was thinking that Jack's daughter might be a big baddie in the next series of Torchwood. If there is one of course. She definitely has a big grudge against him now doesn't she?

who was the actress who played jack's daughter? She looked so familiar

Do you really think people would choose to sacrifice 10% of our children?

I would opt for the destruction of the world myself. We'd all be going to hell in a handbasket anyway.

foxinsocks - she was called Lucy Cohu. She's been in lots of things, including "Marple" and "Cape Wrath".

thanks UD

she's a similarish age to me and had her first child around the same time...am wondering if I've bumped into her in real life many moons ago. She looks so so familiar!

I don't think anyone should be traumatize by this I mean it is a show FFS no one died they all had a party after filming it.

Just goes to show though there is a feeling of those who matter and those who don't.

Started with 60 illegal immigrants, moves on to the council estate kids who will end up on the dole anyway, and just for good measure two MPs kids.....

I thought shame it was not adults they wanted could have had a list ready in no time

she was in ballet shoes, foxy, she was the wafty teacher, theo. and princess margaret in the queen's sister. i think she's pretty good but she seems to have aged A Lot in the last couple of years. [bitch]

Moral of the story. Do your best at school and make something of yourself regardless of your background. Might get some kids thinking about their futures? There is more to life than the dole?

And don't do drugs!

Although they chose "failing schools", not "failing children"... Nobody pointed out the flaw in the argument...

Typical of DW that, at the key moment when Frobisher was going upstairs with the gun to kill his family, she had to remark on what "nice windows" his house had and how she'd like a landing like that...

UD I love your wife I was thinking great house, look at those windows

and I was thinking "where in Cardiff is that house!!"

and "Who do I ave to kill to convince them to let me swap it for my suburban semi"

This was just awful. I found it unremittingly bleak, miserable viewing and frankly, wished I hadn't bothered. I'm pregnant so admittedly a bit more emotional than normal but I ended up in floods and not wanting to go to sleep

As someone else has said, whilst Doctor Who contains no shortage of death, it has a rich seam of optimism and a sort of morality that consistently shines through. It's an uplifting show.

This was very different and I hated it.

I think that Jack has just had too too much sorrow, made me think how much I would hate to live forever, having millennium after millennium of lose.

Also the think I really do not get about this show is why they are so socked every time an alien turns up.

If life from Mars made contact it would be a big thing not something only underground agency s dealt with

UnquietDad.....They were lovely windows...I found myself wondering where I'd seen the house used before...it was in some gory murder thing I'm sure...definitely recognised the windows...

I think it ended as it had to, otherwise it wouldn't have been grown-up Dr Who- if there had been the expected and usual jack-saves-the-world-and-all-is-well ending, then it wouldn't have been as "good" as it most definitely was....

Doctor Who also has an unwritten rule that (non-possessed) humans don't kill (or try to kill) other humans. There have only been two exceptions in 5 years - Queen Victoria shooting the Chief Warrior Monk, and the captain of the Titanic shooting to kill (but only injuring) Midshipman Frame.

I also admired the lovely windows and indeed the whole landing area - the plot, otoh, was rubbish. Am really quite cross that I wasted a week watching it.

Me, DP and my sons all snugged up on my bed eating cookies to watch it last night, that was the best bit

I'm still reeling but i thought the ending was fab... although absolutely awful... it was a real proper grown up ending and poor old jack... what could he do?... so full of angst! It was a no win situation... had to watch from behind my hands as the children were being dragged off!
Great Drama! and definitely wondering what they're gonna do with torchwood next!

everything i wanted to say! fab review!