Torchwood!!!!

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yippee!! on now.

I FEEL TRAUMATISED

It happened when Harriet Jones was PM in The Christmas Invasion too. "You're not my boss."

I thought Jack's reaction was quite convincing actually. A sort of numb grief from a man who has lived too long and seen too much and now been pushed just that one step too far...more realistic than hysterical sobbing if you ask me.

I should be going to bed but I still feel too on edge and sad.

Glad it wasn't the re-set button ending that I was dreading though, I couldn't have forgiven RTD for that after the week we've had!

Original Demon Headmaster was 1982 - just been a bit sad and looked it up on wiki!

That was NOT what I signed up for - I love Dr Who and Torchwood but wish I'd never started watching this! I thought I was watching an entertaining sci-fi show - a little bit of escapism - but that was just horrific! I think it went too far

Yes - have just finished watching. Wish I hadn't now. Emotionally manipulative and actually unpleasant. Far too long spent on that child's death for example.

I think I'm cured of any keenness for RTD's writing now.

I was hooked all week.
I agree with a lot of what's been said on here.

• Gwen was great
• I'm still in denial about Ianto being dead. There was something almost fanciable about him this series.
• V uncomfortable viewing. Especially tonight with Frobisher and Stephen.
• Jack has to be back for next series and hopefully Gwen and Lois too.
• Seriously, who would have elected that PM?! He was wimish, unfeeling and indecisive. Maybe he wasn't elected and got in a la Gordon Brown?

Woah, just caught up on iplayer. I feel very drained, Ianto died??!! Captain Jack has left Earth??!! Is he going to come back a few years later a la Superman returns?

I think that, as a sign of good drama, it was very uncomfortable viewing. But that's what it was supposed to do, make us stop and think about things. I agree that being hit over the head with the child death statistic was a little preachy, but wasn't that the point?

The Brits however wouldn't stand back and allow their children to be stuck on buses and carted off to wherever without anyone questioning.

Can't wait to see what happens in the next series though.

Must go to bed, dawn chorus, and its getting light now!

Don't know if this has been said but really would have been better if Clem hadn't died on Day 4 (maybe the turn the computer off as soon as they realise the effect the frequency is having on him ...) then he sacrifices himself at the end to save the children. Surely if he had still been alive it would have worked just as well with him as with a child. I think if they had done that instead of kill Stephen I would almost have forgiven the rest (ie being traumatised by watching the screaming mums at the school gates while their children were being hoarded onto buses).

not sure they would have worked out that they could hurt them in reverse if it hadn't been for the 456 killing Clem in that way

I thought it was fab,

Can not believe they killed Ianto though so soon after killing the other two off.

I think a new series will have a whole new dynamic.
Loved how they were working out the 10%.

I needed the reset button ending

I think Jack's lack of tears over Stephen was just the sign of a man gone too far. He had lost his lover, killed a whole pile of other people due to a plan gone wrong, realised that the children he handed over to avert disaster once were just a pacifier... it just tipped him over.

The rest of the world were lining up their children at the same time afaik.

.. compulsive viewing.. the actual ending with Capt Jack zooming off was a bit weak, but it's setting him up to turn up in one of the Dr Who specials..

some have said it went too far... it's adult sci-fi... it's meant to push things to make a point.. that said, I did get DS out of bed in the middle of last night to come and sleep with me after I watched the last episode.

woke up still thinking about this!

WISH the suggestion here about Clem sacrificing himself could have worked but agree, they needed Clem's death to see how to combat the 456.

I can't believe that people were that emotionally disturbed by it! It was good entertainment but any programme that has Something Green and Slimey as the enemy immediately switches the 'You don't have to take this seriously' button in my mind.

Not like Schindler's List or Charlotte Gray.

The enemy wasn't the issue though, it was the concept of giving up our children "for the greater good" with no choice etc

We watched this - first time I have watched any Torchwood TBH. DH was watching teh bit where the military were taking children away and said "Us in the military do a lot of things we don't like, but not one serving member of HM Forces would do that".
I must admit to being a bit, well a lot, tarumatised by the scenes where the mothers were scremaing as the buses took off their children, and was thinking "no parent would allow it to happen".Would they?

But that was so obviously intended to engage sentiment, wasn't it? And the cabinet conversations were comedic at times (eg, the league table bit) that I thought it was clear that we were being reminded this was just entertainment. Which it was: great entertainment. I hope there's another series soon.

Saltire - but they said they had threatened soldiers that if they didn't cooperate their own children would be taken.

I was thinking, but some of those soldiers won't have any children or nieces or nephews yet, wouldn't THEY stand up and be counted?

As for parents not allowing it, they tried to stop the soldiers but were held back. And that has happened for real in other countries.

I couldn't help thinking, wrt the league tables thing, that I wouldn't have noticed anything until it was all over, as am lucky enough to live in a small town with very good schools...

'I must admit to being a bit, well a lot, tarumatised by the scenes where the mothers were scremaing as the buses took off their children, and was thinking "no parent would allow it to happen".Would they?'

DH and I were thinking along the same lines. Except that, well, they were removing the weans from a council estate and DH remarked, 'Imagine their trying to get away with that in, say, Castlemilk (Glasgow)? Would they fuck! Even the junkie mums would be after them with knives, cricket bats, metal pipes and a' that and it'd be less than a minute till the petrol bombs starting flying. I mean, that's their Giros away!'

Also, a lot of soldiers do come areas like this and wouldn't be going and doing such like.

I agree about the soldiers, edam. I can't see that happening. Many British soldiers (obviously there are sad and awful exceptions) know which orders can and should be disobeyed.

Yes it was addressed quite early on that if the soldiers didn't comply with the instructions, that members of their own family would be taken instead. That would mean not just maybe their children, but nieces, nephews and brothers and sisters I suppose.

I may have been taking this far too seriously, but I was busy calculating for what period of time my family had no children at all - think there were two years in between baby sister reaching 18 and me having ds.