louis theroux- peadophiles in therapy

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Anyone going to watch - looks interesting?

In a previous role I worked alongside professionals supporting an adolescent who had abused his siblings when he himself was a minor. He had been 'rehabilitated'. That young person was in torment every time he boarded a bus / walked down the street / was in a situation where he may come into contact with children. This is why I feel it can be a kindness to the perpetatrator to keep them locked away from society.

Not disagreeing with that at all izyboy. If the personality disorder isn't treatable then of course they need to be kept safe to protect themselves and others.

And the vast majority can't be treated which I think is a very sad indictment of our violence and abuse towards children. And how it goes unnoticed until they perpetuate crimes that had happened to them.

dittany i agree it's really odd

I'm not sympathetic. I want to be involved in fixing the problem.

If the majority of men who sexually abuse children were once abused as children then surely it's better for society to try and deal with this by:

1. being more vigilant about abuse (there are loads of ways we are doing this)

1. by supporting social services

1. by intervening when we see children being abused

1. by changing our culture by talking about it

and hundreds of other ways (lots to do with poverty) etc

And by treating children in care with therapy (my foster daughter is having therapy) - but the funds for this are really small. I think all children who have been abused who are in the care system should automatically be allocated therapy.

It shouldn't be a last resort with no funding available for it.

Of course it's a crime and they should be punished according to the criminal justice system.

But we need a lot more than just locking them up - cos we would really have failed as a society if we watched an abused and neglected child become an adult with no proper intervention who then went on to abuse children because it was all he had known.

agree dittany

thankyou dittany

intolerable is the word

Luckily as a survivor of sexual abuse I don't.

It isn't about them being children once, it's about the abuse cycle never being broken. Which is true for my foster daughter and all of her brothers. Which is why they are in therapy to try to break the cycle.

Her brothers have displayed very inappropriate behaviour. Luckily the people working with them have helped them tremendously. Without that help they could carry on the cycle.

They have been caught by the system relatively young. I'm grateful for that for all our childrens sakes.

I've not met anyone until tonight who thinks that people who abuse children do it because they're 'evil'.

I mean, how misinformed would you have to be to not think it is probably early childhood experiences (not just sexual abuse but neglect, lack of empathy displayed towards them) that make people commit these awful crimes.

Seriously, what's the alternative to that - they are born bad? If so then it could be your child who becomes an abuser if there's no rhyme or reason.

Thankfully there is always an explanation (sometimes a medical one)

omg laurel i do not want to even think about that!

i thought this was very interesting. and led me to an interesting thought process.

the paedophiles has committed a crime - or a series of crimes.

they were caught

they were imprisoned - as per justice/policy/state law dictates.

why therefore are they being further detained?

is this not another huge blow for civil liberties? that america can do this? is this not GTMO in another guise?

you commit a crime
you serve the time

if the time as dictated by law, is seen by the voting public as too little - then change the law

do not just change peoples right to justice, fairness and freedom at will.

i can't be fucked reading that dittany - cant you do an abridged version

evil - is an action....hers the link kinda thing

We are who we are - but evil is an inappropriate word and that article is just inflammatory crap.

I do not absolve anyone of the responsibility for their behaviour but I do seek to do more than punish.

Punishment on it's own does not break the cycle of abuse.

Custy you are right, their civi liberties have been take away. They are being detained for mental illness after they have completed a sentence for their crimes. Yes, it's shit and unfortunately may be necessary until we get a lot better at fixing our problems with sexual behaviour. (and fixing the way we bring children up)

The older they are the harder it is to change behaviour and someones 'sexual map' or indeed a personality disorder. So they may have to stay locked up for theirs (and our) protection.

but should our civil liberties be bent and wealded at will to accomodate weak law, inadequate rehabilitation and kneejerk public pressure?

they had served their time and were being further locked up - unjustly.

Well ,there isn't enough room in prisons to house them all - it's a far greater problem than most people think. There are a lot of child molesters (not just paedophiles) who are never caught and punished.

We need far more solutions.

I'm not a liberal hand-wringer and I hope you're not attributing that to me.

Custy - anyone can have a psych profile done in prison and then committed to an asylum for a personality disorder. The fact is that this is routinely done on sex offenders in the US criminal justice system.

REF MP as a PROGRAMME
it told me nothign i didnt know abotu sex offenders. Just a lot of louis ( who i do rahter love standing there going )