SCD Take 3!!

[Tigerschick]

Hello again!!

Do you know what munkee, I think they read about it on here too (unless we are duplicating the forums without knowing). I have often seen comments on here about various things like body language that are then acted on a few days later when I watch ITT.

Shove off then

Sorry, I mean no, that wasn't aimed at you Tigerschick, it was just a general wafting in the direction of the whole thread. Not you in particular.

Though if they had decided some time ago, I don't see how they could have done it if it had all been ordinary. As in if the judges scores had been 3,2,1. Because then they wouldn't have had the excuse. Not sure how that would have worked.

Apparently between the 2 shows the BBC phonelines crashed as there were so many complaints about the voting!

Really bran? How exciting. Now I'm trying to think of some insightful comment to make so they'll listen to me too, but... no, dammit, it just won't come. And usually I'm so wise.

Actually, I think they're in quite a sticky position only having 3 in the semi-final as the person with the lowest score from the judges is bound to be in the dance off unless all the scores end up tied (ie they all end up with a total of 4). I don't know what the procedure would be then, I suppose the viewers vote would be the deciding vote.

This isn't the case where there are 4 or more couples being voted on as it's possible for the couple with lowest score from the judges to avoid the dance off if they get a high score from the telephone vote.

If the 3 contestants had had 3 different scores then anyone could have been in the D/O. It wouldn't have had to be a tie.

MMOC - Just wondered ... I think that they wanted to have 3 in the final otherwise the judges' scores are academic as whoever gets the highest number of public votes would win, regardless. I don't think they are using the tie as an 'excuse', it's just a coincidence. But I may well be wrong ... it has been known

If they had 3 different scores from the judges then the bottom person would definitely have been in the dance off unless it was tied.

The highest the bottom person (in this case Tom) could have scored altogether was 4 (1 from judges and 3 from public). The other two would either be 3+2=5 and 2+1=3, in which case it would be Tom and the woman who scored 3 in total in the dance off, or the two women would have had 4 each, in which case it's tied between all three contestants.

Sorry, just to be clear - Tom (or whoever scored the lowest) could never have been voted to safety by the public, unless there was a tie and the public vote outweighed the judges vote.

Yes, but if they all ended up with 4 then the person who finished bottom with the judges but top with the public would not be in the dance off because the public vote holds greater weight in the event of a tie.

x-posts there.

Phew - have just finished watching the "results" show and these comments. Does feel a bit like doing maths homework.

I think the beeb had planned this - that's why they put the show on the Saturday. Can you imagine them keeping the lid on this if they had recorded it and how even more let down people would have felt? I know Sports Personality prog on tomorrow but they could still have put the results on before that.

It's unfair on Lisa's perfect score as this effectively counts for nothing. Tom and Camilla have had a lucky escape but that would have applied to whichever couple hadn't done that well in this show.

Probably worth it to see Brendan's expression when he is knocked out by Tom next week.

I've just realised ... in your original post about it needing to be a tie I thought you meant a tie like the one between Rachel and Lisa, not a tie in final points (4 each) Sorry, I'm being a bit think tonight

Have they ever said on SCD that the public vote holds greater weight if there is a tie? I must have a look at the webpage.

thick
Can't even apologise properly

Yes.
Tess does her 'scarey stare at the camera' face and says "In the event of a tie the contestant with the higher score from the public votes will go through!" Or words to taht effect

Yes.
Tess does her 'scarey stare at the camera' face and says "In the event of a tie the contestant with the higher score from the public votes will go through!" Or words to taht effect

Dammit

at Tiger. I've just checked the SCD page and they do say that they viewers' vote is deciding, so you were right he could theoretically have been saved if the two women hadn't tied the judges votes.

LOL tiger

I do seem to be creating a bit of a mess here this evening

I found the page if anyone else wants to read it ... it also says the thing about the judges' scores counting for half of the result, just in case anyone else isn't certain ...

Blimey, this is all too complicated for me. Thank god I was watching the Girls Aloud Christmas Party on ITV and missed it all - I'm not sure I could have coped with the outrage (or the maths)

cyteen - you've got some reading to do ... I think we've managed about 100 posts since the end of the results show!!

Oh yes, understanding TV voting systems was the very thing I had in mind when I studied for my maths degree.

Right.....I see what you mean Bran. Having 3 in the semis is a sticky situation as even if there was NOT a tie for top place tonight then the two situations would be either:

Judges vote 1 + Public vote 3 = 4
Judges vote 2 + Public vote 1 = 3
Judges vote 3 + Public vote 2 = 5

so the bottom person definitely in the dance off regardless getting the highest amount of point from the public

OR

Judges vote 1 + Public vote 3 = 4
Judges vote 2 + Public vote 2 = 4
Judges vote 3 + Public vote 1 = 4

The only way Tom would have been saved tonight (this is of course assuming the top two were NOT tied as they were) is if the second scenario happened and then he would have been the only one NOT in the dance off as the public would override everything.

You would think that there would be someone at the BBC doing all these calculations as it is already slightly dodgy having 3 in the semi finals. You would also think they would have worked through the "what if there is a tie for 1st and 2nd place" scenarios already. They should have already worked out that if that happened then there would be no point voting for whoever was in 3rd place as they would definitely be in the dance off. They should therefore have had this up their sleeves and should have said at the end of the first show - right, clearly Tom is in the dance off so therefore vote tonight for either Lisa or Rachel to join him in the dance off. That would have saved all this nonsense.

It just feels as if the BBC didn't think the maths through enough on this in advance and were caught on the hoof....

That's what I was thinking expo, when it's down to three then it's not a simple case of voting to save your favourite if your favorite is last, there needs to be tactical voting for other contestants to make sure there is a draw. Which is not the case for four couples or more.

I'm not sure whether Camilla's going to be able to hold up under the pressure of being in a final. She seems to be getting ever more tense and fragile as the weeks go by, and the judges have been making very pointed comments about the quality of her choreography. Perhaps she will get another professional to choreograph next week's dances and that would take at least some of the mental strain off for her.